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Well it's not going to do so well for that at the LVCC given the distance away from hotel parties.

It was famously at Alexis Park for years, which might as well be the moon if you're at Caesar's.

I started going to def con before the AP and I feel now that the AP were def con's golden years. At least for what I like best about it.

It's nice that it has continued to grow and reach more people but it has also changed a lot from what it used to be to what it is now.

And when it was at AP maybe 5000 people were attending? Today it's like 25k.

And AP was tolerant of people treating their property like garbage. Caesars' certainly doesn't.

Agreed, that's a pretty terrible location given what defcon is and at its current size.