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Taking into account, the reported reason Elon Musk departed from the project, is because he wanted OpenAI to merge with Tesla, and he would take complete control of the project, this lawsuit smells of hypocrisy.

"The secret history of Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and OpenAI" - https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor...

But that was to be expected, from the guy who forced his employees to go work with Covid and claimed danger of Covid infection to show up at a Twitter aquisition deposition...

"Tesla gave workers permission to stay home rather than risk getting covid-19. Then it sent termination notices." - https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/25/tesla-p...

"Musk declined to attend in-person Twitter deposition, citing COVID exposure risk" - https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3675282-musk-de...

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You made exactly zero arguments based on the lawsuit itself. And just went after musks character.

The law doesn’t work that way. It’s not as simple as people I like should win and people I don’t should lose.

The fact you provided references and links implies you actually believe you are making a coherent case

You are correct that I did not address the merits of the lawsuit. Reason is because I dont care about and also because a lawsuit means legal discovery, something OpenAI and Microsoft can't afford. The lawsuit can have merit but will be settled out of court...Mark my comment... :-)

Billionaires motives, their weird obsession of saving the world, and damaged psyche's that drive a never ending need, for absurd accumulation of health, have a direct impact on my daily life, and are therefore more interesting.

Can you cite the specific line and source claiming "reported reason Elon Musk departed from the project"? Feels taken out of context from what I remembering reading before.

Not sure I'd trust Washington Post to present a story accurately - whether the termination notices were relevant to the premise presented.

Did he attend the Twitter deposition via video? Seems like a hit piece.

"...And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself.

Altman and OpenAI’s other founders rejected Musk’s proposal. Musk, in turn, walked away from the company — and reneged on a massive planned donation. The fallout from that conflict, culminating in the announcement of Musk’s departure on Feb 20, 2018..."

So you removed the context that the solution - for them betraying-violating the non-profit agreement - was for him to take it over and realign it back following its intended principles during OpenAI's formation-conception?

No I did not, but in your reply you removed the context that he argued they were lagging behind Google, not that they were not working enough for humanity...

Now why are you being obtuse on ignoring another real reason, Elon Musk was poaching people from OpenAI and argued for a conflict of interest.

"Elon Musk leaves board of AI safety group to avoid conflict of interest with Tesla" - https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/21/17036214/elon-musk-openai...

From all the HN favorites memes, the two most strong that need to evaporate, are that Elon Musk wants to save humanity, and Sam Altman does not care about money...

Ever read the The Selfish Gene book? I do believe Elon wants to help save humanity, at the same time his motives can be partly selfish. He quite clearly knows that if freedom of speech is lost then the totalitarians have won, and he'll lost freedom as well - and he'll be "forced" then to aid the totalitarians in whatever they do, even if knowing they're genocidal, etc; I suspect he'd refuse to work in such conditions but who knows what blackmail - like threats of torturing or killing his children, etc - could be tried against him.

And yeah, Sam cares about money and some other things, it seems.

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