I think you and I are actually saying the same thing.

Life is intrinsically without meaning. Emphasis on intrinsically: it can be given meaning, but it doesn't come with one included in the box.

We can pick an arbitrary thing to imbue life with meaning. Art is one such thing. There are many others (children, religion, career, etc.) and they're not generally exclusive, though time constraints do apply.

For you art is expression, but the interesting question is, why do you find expression meaningful? Do the stars care about your expression? No, they're busy, they're fusing hydrogen to helium. Who does care then? Well, you do. Art as expression is meaningful - tautologically - and perhaps somewhat unsatisfyingly - solely because you have assigned it meaning. But, importantly, that does create real meaning - it's the only thing that can. You give expressive art meaning, and your creation of something meaningful in turn gives you meaning.

Every choice we make ultimately comes back to what we find to be meaningful (or it follows on from something we do), and in far as life has no intrinsic meaning, that meaning is always and necessarily self-created (perhaps consciously, perhaps unconsciously by way of received wisdom that a person perpetuates by thoughts, words and deeds). "Art is without value" is not really an interesting statement, except in as far as it says that the speaker finds meaning elsewhere than art. It's a statement of preference couched in objective language.

Personally, I agree that art is expression and that that expression is meaningful, so you and I derive meaning, at least in part, from similar choices.

Hahaha! :) I'm actually laughing because I think it's funny. You don't know me so you wouldn't know.

But, I know another thing you don't: did you know that 'passive aggressive' actually means 'aggression/hostility via resistance/obstruction.' It's not actually how it's often used to indicate what you meant here as a kind of ironic or deceptive friendliness. Which this was not!

Totes sincere, I swear to you. I can deliver a skewering remark with a smile on my face and laughing, and not hating you. Tone translates poor into text, right? What can I say? Hahahahaha! :)

Such as: your phoney criticism of no argument is literally a statement without argument to what I'm saying. Hahahaha! :)

Which surprises me because, this topic actually had so much meat. Why'd you wuss out and comment on something unrelated to the topic at hand??!! :) Hahaha! :) Over to you, sir! Ha! :)

Oh, wait, I know! It's because you like belligerence rather than caring about the topic at hand, right? Sorry, I actually care about this topic. So I don't think you're gonna win this, whatever this is. That's not helping your 'argument'! Hahahahaha! :)

Did you think that when you wrote the comment? When you say "move on" it seems like you don't think it's wonderful. When you say "deviant nature" it also sounds like you don't think it's wonderful.

The dense thinking and unique perspective behind your brief comments makes them hard to parse for most people in the moment. They'd benefit from more exposition!

I get you're embracing the shadow and encompassing things seen as negative to be free of them, this is positive I guess as long as it's not harmful. Contrarian viewpoint and likely to be misunderstood in a comment online, but I applaud your courage to say what you think! :)

Alright, so to riff on it:

In your framework, if I'm to speak within those bounds, if we're to make a connection between justice and vindictiveness I'd say: justice is formalized vindictiveness realized for catharsis and control, and hopefully, healing and remediation.

People have no free will? I get if you feel that about yourself, but you can't impose that on others. It's abusive to try because then you don't see their agency.

It's also a dangerous trap to believe, as you seem to free yourself from responsibility for your actions, potentially liberating yourself from any sense of accountability for hurting people. Or in a less nefarious mode, explain away any failures of yours by surrendering the idea that you have free will and can choose to make improvements. The idea of lack of free will I think is very suspicious and leads to disempowerment.

But if I'm to try to parse your last sentence as you understand it:

justice is bullshit, it's nobody's fault anyway but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to push back: I'm powerless and it would be futile but we need these things to prevent total chaos is that right?

Also, you think narcissism is wonderful? "Wonderful" could be taken to mean "prompting wonder" and be value-neutral, so in that sense it could be a weasel word judgement disguised as a positive. But generally, wonderful means positive and good.

But a definition of narcissism is: selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type -- you think that's good???

The picture I get from your comments is: you're being raw, expressing directly out of a deep well of your being and experience in an unfiltered way, you've been really hurt and betrayed and have found your peace about it, in part by acceptance with thinking 'nobody has responsibility' anyway, and you don't feel you can do anything about it so you just have to accept it.