i will not give up meat for tofu, no matter how tasty the tofu is (and it is tasty).
What i will do is eat both meat _and_ tofu.
The idea that people would voluntarily stop eating meat and switch to a vegitarian diet is just wishful thinking.
What i will do is eat both meat _and_ tofu.
The idea that people would voluntarily stop eating meat and switch to a vegitarian diet is just wishful thinking.
When you look at the diets by age group it's also pretty telling: https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1313072/vegan-by-age-grou...
Similar, if you can get a population to reduce their consumption by x%, it doesn't matter if that's because x% went totally without (and the rest didn't change anything), or whether you could a more uniform, mild change.
Convincing people to give up some meat is pretty straightforward: one proven way is for meat to become more expensive. People react to economic incentives on the margin after all. Other ways might be to make the alternatives more appealing.
(About the margins: meat would have to get extremely expensive for many people to completely give up on it. But if sometimes you are deciding between going to a steak place and a pasta place, and then price can sway your decision fairly easily. The meal at the pasta place can still have meat in it for this example to work, just less of it.)
I feel like shit after eating pasta, so I never eat it. I feel great after eating meat, so I always eat it.
But we don't eat out, that's more wasteful and expensive than anything else. fires up the grill
> But we don't eat out, that's more wasteful and expensive than anything else. fires up the grill
That might be true for you. But there are also people who eg want to eat stuff from the grill perhaps once a year, and storing their own idle grill the other 364 days would be wasteful.
And yes, I'm constantly deciding between different amounts of meat I can eat, it usually depends on how hungry I am.
I decide the amounts, what meat protein, then pick veggies that go with it, and add a small amount of carbs.
In terms of overall utilitarian impact, I mean. Not in terms of some moral systems.
I think people around here would charge too much to go vegan.
It might be cheaper use people on the West Coast.
In the grand scheme of things, Americans are very expensive people. For example, Argentinians both eat a lot of meat, and are currently in dire need for some hard currency.
I don't know if there's an app for this. However, you could do the next best thing and find a charity that works on promoting eating-less-meat in Argentina.
(Argentina is just an example, I have no clue whether it's the best value for money for this very specific. I'm just fairly sure that they are better value for money than spending money in the US.)
https://blog.givewell.org/2010/12/27/animal-welfare-charitie... might be an interesting read.
Is it? I know many people who have done this.
and how many people do you know, out of all of the people in the world?
And how many of those won't do it?
What you have as evidence of it happening is merely sampling bias.
This is the level of strawman we show to small children as examples of terrible strawman arguments. I haven't seen anyone in this thread asking for involuntarily forcing people to give up meat. There isn't a single significant politician in the USA or Europe who is talking about forcing people to give up meat.
I can only hope you were deliberately trying to make a shitty argument for some reason, otherwise it seems likely that the BGH, HFC and antibiotics in your diet have addled your brain.
The most radically environmentalist thing people are arguing for is for you to take a modicum of responsibility for the negative impacts of your choices. If you love beef for some reason then just plant a couple of trees when you eat it or do some other actions that offset the carbon.
Not saying that it was 100% economic and moral/ethical awakening didn't play an important role, but the economic changes definitely helped. And this kind of favorable factors aren't apparent in the case of convincing everyone to go vegetarian.
and I wouldn't compare slavery to meat consumption.
Marjorie Spiegal wrote about it in length in her book "The Dreaded Comparison"
https://archive.org/details/dreadedcompariso0000spie_o7y4/pa...
You can attempt to argue for the merits of the comparison, in your own words, if you'd like.