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(to the tg channel of Ukrainian politician, who is in exile in Spain and has survived an assassination attempt).

About that "politician", Andrij Shariy whom you are citing as some kind of a credible figure, if not a martyr of sorts -- from WP:

   In a 2010 article, "Blue Rust. Dictatorship of Sodomites"[4] Shariy expressed an opinion that due to death sentences for same-sex and adultery relationships in Iran after the Islamic revolution the situation with prostitution, pedophilia, and rape in Iran was much better than in Ukraine.”[79]: 46–47, 57 [81] In the summer of 2020, journalist Sergei Ivanov posted screenshots of Anatoly Shariy's publications from 2010 in which he showed understanding for the extermination of homosexuals and Roma in gas chambers during the Third Reich.[82][83]

No credible information has emerged about the alleged attempts on his life. However he is under investigation by the SBU for inciting nationalist hatred.

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You bothered to go to wikipedia to discredit the messenger when you couldn't disprove the fact that monuments to fallen Soviet soldiers are destroyed in Ukraine, but chose to stop citing wiki too soon. Doesn't seem honest to me. Here is the next paragraph you ignored:

  In 2021 Shariy apologized "for his past from 11 years ago" and claimed his views had been changed since then.[84]

  "And about gays. I am a simple guy from Karavaevka. My childhood passed in the Soviet Union. I have never seen those "gays" ...I was certain that they would attack me with obscene offers... but I must say that I have never had a problem with a gay person in my life."

The guy's an idiot, and a loose cannon. It doesn't matter how much he "evolved" or changed his tune once he started facing the natural consequences for whatever he shitposted earlier.

What matters here is that you seem to happy to hold him up a credible, interesting useful and inspiring source of information.

You couldn't disprove the fact that ...

I don't dispute any of it. There's no need to because it's simply not relevant to the current situation.

>it's simply not relevant to the current situation

Just like your comments to this thread.

Well, of course.

It was yet another "Bandera, Bandera" thread.

So nothing emerging from it would have relevance to anything.

As you knew when you started it.

Great, I'm glad you think that. Next time please just pass by.

Perhaps you should consider doing the same, at moments when all you can think of offering in response to an evident Russian war crime (demolishing memorials on territory is illegally occupying) is to cite the completely non-analogous situation of the Ukrainians demolishing memorials (for whatever reason) on their own territory.

It's just such an obviously insipid and vacuous comparison. It's difficult to see why you went down this track, other than as an excuse to thrown down more of your favorite scare imagery and talking points.

"for whatever reason"

I love how you are skirting the topic of the ideology of post-2014 Ukraine.

And rightly so -- as far as the current conflict is concerned, it's a red herring.

And yet you instead of honestly saying 'yes, post-2014 Ukraine glorifies Nazi collaborators, but it doesn't matter to me' go to the great lengths to deny it or weasel around.

Certain people in Ukraine valorize and whitewash that history.

But "Ukraine" as a country does not. And none of this stupidity is any way relevant to the current (very much Nazi-like) invasion by Russia that you are continually apologizing for. Whose true causes you know perfectly well, and are continually attempting to distract attention away from with finger-pointing tactics such as these.

That is the cardinal error you are making here.

"Certain people "

See, you are at it again.

These certain people include Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, as you could see in the comment you couldn't pass by but clearly hadn't bothered to read.

Also the mayors of Ukrainian cities who approve naming streets after "heroes" of OUN. This includes Stepan Bandera Avenue in the center of the Ukrainian capital [0].

[0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вулиця_Степана_Бандери

Also the mayors of Ukrainian cities who approve naming streets after "heroes" of OUN.

Then try writing letters to them, perhaps? I'm sure they'll be happy to hear from you.

And even more fudging -- ignoring the point about Ukrainian Foreign Ministry aggressively defending glorification of Nazi collaborators and making an attempt to joke instead of addressing the fact that many Ukrainian mayors, both local and in the capital, support (or cannot resist when facing more powerful force) renaming streets after Nazi collaborators.

It's comical to see how your russophobia doesn't allow you to acknowledge objective reality.

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