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> These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people.

I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues. I also don't know anyone who has been denied an opportunity because they made adult content. Does it happen? Absolutley. Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Not even close.

If anything, being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive. I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

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There was a big news story about this happening literally the other day

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-wom...

> Is it crippling to the point of ostracization?

Nobody is arguing that it is, I think you are taking this a bit too far. All anybody has said is that some people have a dim view of sex work, thats it, and its true. Stop trying to extrapolate and assume further than the point in question.

> being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive

And there I was foolishly thinking we were all trying to move to a more tolerant and accepting world. Thats an incrdibly devisive opinion and is the basis for cancel culture. I for one would rather try to understand peoples opionins and discuss it with them rather than to 'filter them out'.

> I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

Then we are very different people. I will associate with anybody, and try to find the best in them along with some common ground to work on together.

Want a better world? You can only change peoples minds with kindness.

I don't know about you, but my life is too short to associate with troglodytes. Especially when there are so many amazing open-minded, open-hearted weirdos out there I can spend my days with.

No I dont consider myself so important that I am above interacting with anybody, nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses.

I think even if you were to spend your life just getting to know and educating 1 bigotted person so much so that they change they views just a little, that would be a life well spent.

Why are the bigoted people so important that it's worth wasting a perfectly good life appealing to them?

Fuck em. Progress happens when a new idea achieves enough cultural cache that the expressing the backwards view becomes a fringe belief, worthy of ostracization. 30 years ago, gay marriage was a contentious issue. Today, it's sociopolitical suicide to oppose it. Before that it was women entering the workforce, or desegregation.

Because if everybody had the same attitude as that, this world would be a horrible place to exist.

History judges people on how they treat the people they disagree with.

> nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses.

Well, you should. If you don't, you should work on formulating more correct opinions that you believe in and can defend.

> Well, you should

Thanks for telling me what to do!

> you should work on formulating more correct opinions that you believe in and can defend.

No thanks, Im happy being open minded and willing to have good debates which can change either sides opinion. If you are not open to having your mind changed, you can not call yourself open minded.

Lets not let this devolve any further into a spat about opinion. Im not telling you yours is wrong, you can stop trying to tell me mine is now.

> I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues.

How would they know? I suspect there's some selection bias at play here because it might not be legal to discriminate on this basis.

> (...) because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

That's a strawman. The discussion doesn't concern people who "like to take naked photos"; it concerns people who do it for money. Depending on your values, that can be a significant difference.

Firing someone for having tattoos or having done sex work is completely legal in almost all US states. Generally speaking, the only things private employers can’t discriminate based on is things intrinsic to who the person is (race, sexuality, non-relevant disability), and religion. Past choices are completely legal to fire someone for, even if it has nothing to do with the job at hand.

I was being mildly playful with my language, but I mean and intended to mean people who get naked for money. The difference is pretty minimal if you ask me.

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