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Elon overpromising and underdelivering is finally starting to catch up to him. I'm amazed it has lasted this long. The whole FSD and their false advertising, and the danger it has put people in should have been illegal.

I'm a huge fan of SpaceX but Tesla is another matter.

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I hope Tesla survives, they just need someone honest in charge to continue to focus on EVs and stationary storage.

> I'm a huge fan of SpaceX but Tesla is another matter.

The competency and skill of Gwynne Shotwell cannot be overstated.

Well said thread. The whole "Cybercab" event had me thinking "who is actually believing this? This just feels like stock fraud".

I don't want to be that cynical. I want to drive a car that is all torque and no fumes.

I mean, the "Cybercabs", THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROLS. Where is that going to be legal in 2-3 years?

Next year, President Trump, 47th, last, and eternal PoTUS, will reward Elon for his support by legalizing Unsupervised FSD and Tesla Robotaxi across the entire country while prosecuting Waymo and Cruise for tech heresy. Uber, Lyft, and NYC taxi drivers will also be prosecuted for heresy just to be sure.

Elon will be appointed to a new cabinet position - the Fabricator General and will be given license to lobotomize people into servitors - AKA Optimus. This will also allow for true FS(ervitor)D.

I’m joking of course. I think.

Within the Boring Companies tunnels? Other private roads and campuses? Of course, that isn't going to drive high sales figures. It sounds more like a specialized vehicle for a narrow market, but the self driving technology should be applicable across their product lines.

‘Self-driving’ vehicles (they really run on virtual rails, in practice) for private roads have been around for a while now. They’re generally buses, and it’s _super-niche_; there just aren’t that many obvious use cases.

If SF, LA and Phoenix are already allowing Waymo cars that don't have anyone in the driving seat, then why not cars without controls? What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver?

There was a recent evaluation of Tesla's latest self-driving software that showed it's still only averaging 13 miles between necessary human interventions, so comparison with Waymo at this point seems wishful thinking.

> What's so special about leaving out the controls after having eliminated the driver?

Waymo can give direct control of their vehicles to police or others when appropriate. This mitigates the cost of potential edge cases.

First responder overrides exist for Waymo.

Gwynne Shotwell promised p2p starship travel. If you want to talk about over promise under deliver, this is straight up vaporware and will never ever happen.

Their list of cities include Zürich Switzerland. If you launch a rocket of that size on Zürich lake you will blow out every window in the city...

> and will never ever happen

That is good thing. It was vanity.

You really think that promise was from Gwynne herself? It sounds like Elon's words coming out of her mouth.

well, she said it in a Ted talk in 2018. https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_f... at 14:42.

starting at 16:37:

CA: So you really believe this is going to be deployed at some point in our amazing future. When?

GS: Within a decade, for sure.

CA: And this is Gwynne time or Elon time?

GS: That's Gwynne time. I'm sure Elon will want us to go faster.

So they still have a few years.

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