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That sucks that you had that negative experience. I’ve driven thousands of miles in FSD and love it. Could not imagine going back. I rarely need to intervene and when I do it’s not because the car did something dangerous. There are just times I’d rather take over due to cyclists, road construction, etc.

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These "works for me!" comments are exhausting. Nobody believes you "rarely intervene", otherwise Tesla themselves would be promoting the heck out of the technology.

Bring on the videos of you in the passenger seat on FSD for any amount of time.

Thank god someone else said it.

I want some of these tesla bulls to PROVE that they are actually "not intervening". I think the one's who claim they aren't doing things for hours are liars.

> tesla bulls

I’m not a Tesla financial speculator.

Consider the effort it would take a normal individual to prove how well their cars FSD works for them. Now consider how somebody with no investment in the technology stands to benefit from that level of effort. That’s ridiculous. If you’re curious about the technology, go spend time with it. That’s a better way to gather data. And then you don’t have to troll forums calling people liars.

I did! I own a comma! I’ve put in hundreds of hours into using teslas FSD. I know more about it than most in this thread and I repeat, folks who claim it’s as good as they say it is are liars. Yes, even with the 12.6 firmware. Yes, even with the 13.0 firmware that’s about to come out.

It’s the counter-point to the “it doesn’t work for me” posts. Are you okay with those ones?

I think the problem with the "it works for me" type posts is that most people reading them think the person writing it is trying to refute what the person with the problem is saying. As in, "it works for me, so the problem must be with you, not the car".

I will refrain from commenting on whether or not that's a fair assumption to make, but I think that's where the frustration comes from.

I think when people make "WFM" posts, it would go a long way to acknowledge that the person who had a problem really did have a problem, even if implicitly.

"That's a bummer; I've driven thousands of miles using FSD, and I've felt safe and have never had to intervene. I wonder what's different about our travel that's given us such different experiences."

That kind of thing would be a lot more palatable, I think, even if you might think it's silly/tiring/whatever to have to do that every time.

I can see it. How FSD performs depends on the environment. In some places it's great, in others I take over relatively frequently, although it's usually because it's being annoying, not because it poses any risk.

Being in the passenger seat is still off limits for obvious reasons.

I don't believe this at all. I don't own one but know about a half dozen people that got suckered into paying for FSD. All of them don't use it and 3 of them have stated it's put them in dangerous situations.

I've ridden in an X, S and Y with it on. Talk about vomit inducing when letting it drive during "city" driving. I don't doubt it's OK on highway driving, but Ford Blue Cruise and GM's Super Cruise are better there.

You can believe what you want to believe. It works fantastic for me whether you believe it or not.

I do wonder if people who have wildly different experiences than I have are living in a part of the country that, for one reason or another, Tesla FSD does not yet do as well in.

I think GP is going too far in calling you a liar, but I think for the most part your FSD praise is just kinda... unimportant and irrelevant. GP's aggressive attitude notwithstanding, I think most reasonable people will agree that FSD handles a lot of situations really well, and believe that some people have travel routes where FSD always handles things well.

But ok, great, so what? If that wasn't the case, FSD would be an unmitigated disaster with a body count in the tens of thousands. So in a comment thread about someone talking about the problems and unsafe behavior they've seen, a "well it works for me" reply is just annoying noise, and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Open discussion and sharing different experiences with technology is “annoying noise” to you but not to me. Slamming technology that works great for others should receive no counter points and become an echo chamber or what?

I'm glad for you, I guess.

I'll say the autopark was kind of neat, but parking has never been something I have struggled with.

I hope I never get to share road with you. Oh wait I won't, this crazyness is illegal here.

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