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Do you imply that Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors?
> I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state.
Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state?
Not directly, but sort of? Isn't this specific case an actual example of that?
> Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state
The theoretical risk of that somewhat lower. i.e. government actors in friendly nation states could face somewhat serious consequences if they try that and it backfires. Russian government would face no risk or consequences whatsoever if they conspired to murder someone or imprison them on trumped up charges.
Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two:
Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else.
I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico.
I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea.
Not just because of sanctions, but because they don't allow me to. It's illegal for me -- I don't even need to specify which country I am in, it doesn't matter -- to deploy pretty much anything in those nations, by their own laws. (Similarly, I can't buy property, start a business, buy shares directly, etc, etc...)
Have a look at the requirements to deploy something into China: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/china/overview-check... and https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/china/overview-sover...
Nothing like this is needed for any other cloud region. I can just pick "the rest of the planet" from a drop-down list at will.
So why should we let "the other side" of the planet gain benefits from our collective works, if they slam the door in our face in response?
Someone who is so dependent on media images that he declares them unquestionable truths in advance is probably unqualified to reason about propaganda.
They even comply with some sanctions and AFAIK aren't actually sending weapons to Russia.
https://ruverses.com/marina-tsvetaeva/readers-of-newspapers/...
https://ruverses.com/marina-tsvetaeva/readers-of-newspapers/...
No it's because aws/azure failed to follow local Russian laws + sanctions imposed by US. If you need Russian vps, you can contact Russian providers.
What’s different about the local laws in Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea?
Except in EU when it comes to GDPR and data processing laws. But they pay well. /s
Something is happening in Kazan as we speak. In attendance are many among your "everybody else", many of whom have no great love for any of these four. It is worth asking why this might be.
Maybe you should ask the rest of the world before making such a statement.
BRICS meeting is currently happening in Russia and the leaders who gathered there represent more than a half of world's population: "Putin returns to world stage hosting 36 leaders at Brics summit in Russia"[0].
>I can't deploy VMs in Russia
Really? You are welcome to click "Start your trial period" at Yandex Cloud. [1]
>Similarly, I can't buy property, start a business, buy shares directly
Of course you can.
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/22/putin-brics...
Liberalism is what makes our society great, not paranoia and securitization.
Well, the Linux Foundation which owns the Linux® trademark and employs the primary maintainer is based in the US:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
Some of the most active contributer employers are Intel, Google, Linaro, AMD, Red Hat, SuSE, Meta, Oracle, Qualcomm, IBM, NVIDIA, TI, Arm, Microsoft:
* https://lwn.net/Articles/972605/
* https://kernelnewbies.org/DevelopmentStatistics
which are based in countries that have Russia on a sanctions list. The main contributer employer based in a country that doesn't have Russia on some list is Huawei.
So given those folks contribute the most code to Linux, they may not want possible complications with regards to possible legal issues.
>The access Russia currently enjoys is the equivalent of Goebbels being allowed to anonymously publish front-page editorials in the Times
there's absolutely nothing you can do about this to prevent this.
troll farms can afford residential VPNs and can network with the US/EU via neighboring neutral countries or their overseas agents.
>while simultaneously contributing code to Bletchley Park co
there's absolutely nothing you can do about this to prevent this.
how do you know that John Johnson contributing code to some widely-used library is not Ivan Ivanson, a KGB sleeper agent? do you know John Johnson in person? does anyone else in your anonymous, informal, nebulous developer clique know any other contributor personally? are you sure that jkldjsafj, qweqweqwe and all the random anonymous guys with anime girl profile pictures who contribute code to a myriad projects are not Russian plants?
>I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state.
case in point to the above: no one fucking knows who did it. it could be Russia, it could be China, it could be Israel, it could be NSA/CIA.
Fibre can be cut.
I know it's unpalatable, or somehow "an escalation", but when NATO started backing Ukraine and the US imposed sanctions on Russia, the logical move would have been to immediately sever all of their international network links. There's what, a few dozen fibre connections crossing their borders?
The alternative is this: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/media/right-wing-media-in...
what the fuck are you going to do? do you people not understand how the Internet works? unless you isolate your network from all other networks, it is accessible from any other network.
Just a handful of public clouds and major CDNs dropping packets from Russian IPs would cut them off from almost all Internet services directly or indirectly. Good luck browsing web pages with cdnjs and the like just timing out for you!
Russia can route to the rest of the Internet because they’re being allowed to in the same sense that they can sell oil and gas to Europe because Europeans are allowing them to.
yes, okay, fine, go convince China to do just that
Because his name is "Jia Tan" so he must be chinese. /s