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A big part of why they went with Microsoft was that the Android market is already saturated, as opposed to the WP market, where they have a chance to catch an ecosystem in its infancy and become the dominant player in that ecosystem.

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There is no such thing as iOS, Android and WP markets: it's a smartphone market where 3 platforms compete (2, really). To use a metaphor a couple messages away, Nokia is bringing a rubber duck to a gunfight.

Amazon and the Kindle Fire kind of destroy that idea. They beautifully demonstrated with that just how stupid Nokia were.

First, Amazon is in the tablet business, which is a very different beast from phones. Case in point: carriers.

Also, they're selling Fire tablets at below cost. That'd be horrifying for Nokia's finances. Not to mention that Kindle Fire's sales crashed hard after the initial holiday rush.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/05/amazons-kindle-fi...

Meanwhile, LG, Sony, Acer, etc. etc. are in losses with Android and HTC is barely ekeing out a small profit. That demonstrates, how smart Nokia was not to just into this pool

Amazon are in the content business which is why they sell below cost. Additionally because of DRM there is significant first mover advantage - people can only drop your platform by dumping their existing bought content.

Asymco has good data on who is making profits in the industry: http://www.asymco.com/2012/05/03/the-phone-market-in-2012-a-...

Samsung makes all the Android money because they make the best Android phones. It isn't that hard to understand. Second point I'll make is Nokia's windows phones are competing with Android so pretending that they are in some different "pool" is just lying to yourself. Third, if you read the article the guy is saying Nokia makes good hardware and could bring that to Android possibly beating Samsung in the process.

Right, but the reason Samsung is making money is the customer wants the Samsung Android phone and the carriers are selling them, same as they did with Motorola before them. And of course, the customer wants the Samsung phone because Samsung and the carrier are advertising it so much. When is the last time you saw a Nokia phone advertised by a carrier in the US. (The issue with Qualcomm is really what killed Nokia, Elop was the response to falling or nonexistent really US marketshare.)

> Nokia's windows phones are competing with Android so pretending that they are in some different "pool" is just lying to yourself.

This.

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