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Not available in France yet, I'd we interested to know if it's a matter of progressive rollout, or some form of legislation (EU or otherwise ?) that's making OpenAI cautious ? Something like the EU AI Act [1] ?

In a sane world, any video produced by Sora would be required to have a form of watermarking that's on par with what intellectual property owners require.

We've put people in jail for sharing copyrighted movies, and don't see why we would refrain from mandating that AI generated videos have some caption that says, I don't know, "This video was generated with AI" ?

People would not respect the mandate, and we would consider that illegal, and use the monopoly on force to take money out of their bank account.

I know, it sounds mad and soooo 20th century - maybe that's why OpenAI overlords are not deeming peasants in France worthy of "a cat in a suit drinking coffee in an office" and "you'll never believe what the other candidate is doing to your kids".

[1] https://www.imatag.com/blog/ai-act-legal-requirement-to-labe...

EDIT: apparently some form of watermarking is built in (but it's not obvious in the examples, for some reason.)

> While imperfect, we’ve added safeguards like visible watermarks by default, and built an internal search tool that uses technical attributes of generations to help verify if content came from Sora.

[2] https://openai.com/index/sora-is-here/

>any video produced by Sora would be required to have a form of watermarking that's on par with what intellectual property owners require

It's a completely different thing. IP owners want watermarks on their IP so they can prosecute people who use their IP without giving credit, nobody's forcing them to watermark it.

I agree that's why they do it.

I happen to think that some states will want to prosecute people who publish realistic-looking AI generated images without making it explicit that they're generated. I'm wondering if watermarking could be an effective tool for that.

(If I was on a bad mood, I would say that we should make it explicit when images are too heavily photoshoped, too ; but that's an other debat, because tools like Sora make manufacturing lies several order of magnitude cheaper.)

> People would not respect the mandate, and we would consider that illegal, and use the monopoly on force to take money out of their bank account.

Imagine a culture that would harness their frustration at being left out in the direction of innovating on their own.

Defining the status quo on things like watermarks by leading the field and then demonstrating how to act from the front.

Seems like they'd be more effective than one that settles for derision and calling for taxes and rules from the back of the pack, so they can presumably profit off the terrible evil things being built.

That's going to sound luddite and backwards, but to be completely honest, I'm not 100% "frustrated" about being "left out" from "far west"-style AI image generation.

At this point, really, I can think of exactly two use cases:

* cheaply producing ads

* cheaply producing fake news

And it's terrifying, and the people jumping in the bandwagon are scaring me.

There is this quote in "13 days" [1] where people are discussing the Cuban missile crises, and, while everyone is gladly / obliviously preparing for the upcoming nuclear holocaust, one gray-haired diplomat raises his hand and says "One of us in the room should be a coward" before asking for a more prudent option.

Maybe it's the age old tension between the "new world" racing forward and the "old world" hitting the brakes. Not necessarily a bad dynamic in the long run. [2]

Feel free to call me, and the whole block I live in, "coward" on this front.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Days_(film)

[2] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/French_address_on_Iraq_at_the...

I’ve used AI art generation to make birthday cards for all of my nieces and nephews, to entertain my friends (making them into crappy superheroes, anime girls, etc.), to quickly “brainstorm” logos, make assets for an app I’m making…

You know, stuff you’d use any images for.

You clearly are very frustrated that you're being left out of their AI, to the point you're wishing you could use violence to take their money over it.

The problem is you seem to think your involvement in the advancements should be orthogonal to your involvement in regulation.

That doesn't work in a world with sovereign nations: as cartoonish as comparing this to nuclear holocaust is, who do you think had more of a role in disarmament, the nuclear-weapon states, or the non-nuclear powers signing treaties with other non-nuclear powers?

If France had their own OpenAI releasing their own Sora with all the regulations you can dream of there'd be more of a discussion to be had over how a SOTA model should be rolled out, with actual counterfactuals to the approach the US and China have taken.

(Of course, Mistral is mostly American money... so I wouldn't bank on them taking a different road.)

Not gonna happen in EU too soon, imo. It still works with a VPN so the fence is not so protected.

Each of Google's AI things were delayed by months, I assumed due to GDPR, but I haven't seen such delays from OpenAI yet.

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