Hacker News take of the day: Rounding up somebody and detaining them is not violence.

Would you like to expand on how you came to this conclusion? It's at odds with most interpretations of labour camps and internment camps and "re-education centres"

Just like most other systematic issues, the "Violence" is rarely surface level. The violence in these specific cases may look more like a father and husband being gone without meaningful trace, leaving a potential family to fend for themselves without a legal or decent way to do it. It's a teenager never making it back home, leaving a family in turmoil. The act of processing someone for illegal immigration may not be violent[citation needed], but the wake of the act is undeniably violence. I'm curious now, why do degrees of separation of intent minimize fault of the perpetrator?

Denying Ruby Ridges the chance to attend an integrated school wouldn't have been violence on one hand, but the systemic chain of events inside the lack of equal opportunity could be perceived as such.

It is. We can argue under which conditions it is legitimate, which is long debate. At some point, it seems that the TOS does make a distinction between legitimate and illegitimate violence, however imperfect it may be.

For example, nobody in their right mind would consider a policeman being distinguished for stopping a shooter as "glorifying violence" even if the officer had to use violence to him down.

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And what happens if you refuse?

This is categorically untrue.