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Removing dyes and healthier food in general is one of RFK's stated goals so they'd call this a win. You need better news sources.

It’s not always easy to keep up with the Republicans’ evolving positions.

For the past century, they told everyone that it was none of the government’s business what people choose to eat. Now it suddenly is.

It does have a whiff of trying to mold the citizenry towards a physical ideal. Fitter, happier, more masculine energy.

My favorite is the matrix-like maneuvering about taxes. Now excise taxes and tariffs are cool. But "death tax", income tax, social security tax -- that's communist.

This is the old "at least Hitler made the trains run on time" thing again.

I'm all for removing dyes from food, but if the tradeoff is bringing back polio, no thanks.

Wasn't that said of Benito Mussolini?

Maybe? I wouldn't think that changes the point much.

RFK is absolutely right on a few things, but that doesn't make him an automatic force for good.

It seems the group that is 'all about science' doesn't want to investigate big pharma. It's a strange world.

see: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/05/03/7190377...

I read about this right before covid in Wired magazine. Now, they lick the assholes of all the big pharma companies and anyone wanting more science are 'deniers', turning it into a relgion.

It seems like the Philippine government and WHO are at fault here, rather than Sanofi

That looks like a successfully investigated case? With an appropriate mitigation found and implemented? And a worst-case scenario of “still 12x fewer hospitalizations than without the vaccine”?

No it's not - the topic is healthier food. If someone said "I bet Hitler[0] will reverse this thing that makes trains run on time" and someone said "actually Hitler loves trains running on time", that would be a fair response.

This is the old "the person my news sources repeatedly tell me to dislike is like Hitler".

[0] Mussolini, no?

> No it's not - the topic is healthier food.

The topic is also RFK and his views, which include quite prominent anti-vaccine activism.

I don't see that in the comment chain.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42712142

> Removing dyes and healthier food in general is one of RFK's stated goals

Yes, but if it's one of his goals, then bringing him in isn't going to reverse it.

He's both a "no dyes in food" activist and a "vaccines bad" activist. Both are goals of his.

I'd rather have vaccines and dyes than no vaccines and no dyes.

Okay, but that seems irrelevant to this thread. What you're getting is RFK, and he doesn't like dyes in food. So as I understand it the original claim is false, and that's all this thread is trying to address.

If they get cancer they will probably die earlier and save us more money on not having to distribute social security checks.

Maybe the FDA will get sued by the health insurance companies due to impacting their profits...

Between all the snarkyness (is that a word? I'm not a native speaker :-D) I think there's a point here. With all the regulations the EU has put up, and the bureaucracy that came with them, I'm really happy that we got food and its ingredients pretty tightly under control and locked down. Glad to see that other countries are prioritizing consumer safety, too.

But Musk, RFK Jr. and others were precisely the kind of people that were advocating for this kind of regulation to take place. Remember the thing about replacing seed oils (eugh) with beef tallow? I really don't think they are against this kind of regulation--on the contrary.

A quick search shows RFK is in favor of replacing seed oils with beef tallow? Is that supposed to be a good thing? What am I missing?

Just do some research on what seed oils where used for just some decades ago, and the extreme processes they go through to make them somewhat edible and not too unpalatable. It's just a byproduct of corporations trying to reduce costs at the expense of our health. They'd do it with literal shit if they could find the way.

There is enough research linking saturated fat (beef tallow has a lot) to heart disease. Not saying seed oils are better. But claiming beef tallow is better doesn't cut it.

>There is enough research linking saturated fat (beef tallow has a lot) to heart disease

Find me one where saturated fat is isolated from every confounding factor. There is none. They are epidemiological studies linking saturated fat from junk food (itself mostly comprised of processed carbs with a myriad of artificial ingredients) to heart disease. That's akin to claiming that dairy protein alone is bad for health because almost every junk dessert has some form of dairy in it as an ingredient.

Find me one where it debunks saturated fat does not contribute, and has not been funded by the relevant industry. No study in history is free of confounding factors, because we are talking about people.

The previous administration were the one who started Operation Warp Speed to reduce other regulatory hurdles, so maybe they will.

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