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I worked in situations where things were outsourced and yeah the Indian experience was horrific. But that also was influenced by the nature of the relationship.... they didn't work "for us" in any real way.
I worked for a company where we (a Midwestern company) were acquired by a valley company and at HQ there was a clear divide between the Indian (US citizens, not H1B) folks and the local CA team. It wasn't bad, but you could see it socially and feel the vibe and such.
I traveled there a few times and I was just friendly and ... man they were great. Very friendly, very professional, and highly capable.
Sometimes I think the business relationships also creates the informal "working culture" too.
That said, going back to New Delhi, at least in the circles I travelled in, it’s incredibly taboo to ask about caste. (Comparable to Americans using the n word.)
But watching a Brahmin who really believes they are vastly better than Dalits act like as arrogant as the Goa'uld from Stargate SG1 was really something.
With all due respect, you’ve fooled yourself into ignorance.
Many Indians haven’t had a relationship with caste for generations, particularly in the cities or upper and middle classes. (Intermarriage and wealth have rendered it indiscernible.)
There are also something like 25,000 castes and subcastes. It’s not a system designed for anyone to get right. That convolutedness is almost the point. Moreover, there are tens of millions of Indians who have never had a caste because they belong to a different religion or sect of Hinduism.
That makes it sound like castes are professions (which IIRC used to be somewhat inherited in the UK, hence names like Smith and Cooper), but where people then tried to assign ranks to those professions (like the family names Bishop and King)?
I am almost totally ignorant of how it really works, but I'm an omni-curious nerd, if you want to enlighten me :)
Caste is VERY much alive in India and in indian-descended communities around the world. Please, for the love of goodness, stop repeating this lie.
People's surnames, the colour of their skin, where they live are all indicators of caste.
Here is just one piece of evidence showing that intermarriage across caste lines is still relatively rare - https://www.science.org/content/article/india-s-fragmented-s...
With respect, it is you who has fooled themselves into ignorance.
If you are open to having your views challenged (and proven wrong), please listen to The Seen And the Unseen podcast, specifically the episode with Chandra Bhan Prasad.
Small numbers where you deal with people individually, I've not seen issues and it's nice to work with Indian devs.
In larger numbers or when in charge of hiring, there seems to be a prevalent issue of Indian cultural norms and favors kicking in and it can happen fast.
Depends on the culture, the size of the team, the product you're working on and the target demographic.
Secondly, do you expect people to post links to all cases of Indian nepotism/cast issues in the tech industry, when Google is at your fingertips with enough cases that it's not an isolated incident? That link was one an Indian friend shared right now when I sent him the Subaru link, when I asked him if the nepotism is real.
If they're wiling to go that far to scam their employer it's not a far fetch the fact they're also into nepotism when hiring.
I’ve heard this claim made often here but never observed it in real life. I think you and others who repeat this claim are confusing nepotism with just using one’s network to accelerate hiring. If someone happens to have a social or professional network mostly of one race, that doesn’t mean they’re automatically nepotistic when they draw from that network. Somehow this label rarely arises when white managers end up with mostly white teams. Why is that?
Easy: If you're in a country that's ~90% white, why would it be a surprise that 90% of the labor ends up being white? Are you seriously trying to play dumb and question obvious stuff like demographics under the nepotism/racism playing card? Similarly, why would it be surprising that a team in India is ~100% Indians?
But if in a country with a majority white demographic, Indian managers hire their wives, extended family members and Indian connection to work in their teams, therefore excluding a lot of the local, mostly white candidates, from the resume pile out of the get-go, you can't not raise eyebrows and assume potential discriminatory hiring practices, which are illegal in most western nations.
By the way, I haven’t personally seen or heard of any examples of Indians (or other races) hiring wives and family members. This is often alleged and yet I’ve never come across a real life example. I am not saying it doesn’t happen at all, but that if it does, it is probably very rare and no different than how often it can happen with any other group. What I often see is people claiming that Indians hiring Indians (regardless of familial relations) is nepotistic, and I think that’s an assumption without basis.
For white people, just having your whole network be mostly white is itself said to be a red flag to a lot of people, regardless of how it came to be that way. So the same should apply to Indian people too. Their network ought to be more diverse if that’s the only place they are going to hire from.
(Or else we can drop the quotas, and hire on merit only - I’m absolutely fine with that!)
Personally my network has plenty of both. I’ve worked with some incredible Indian, American, and Indian-American people and they’ve each earned my respect.