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Chinese companies smuggling embargo'ed/controlled GPUs and using OpenAI outputs violating their ToS is considered cheating. As I see it, this criticism comes from a fear of USA losing its first mover advantage as a nation.

PS: I'm not criticizing them for it nor do I really care if they cheat as long as prices go down. I'm just observing and pointing out what other posters are saying. For me if China cheating means the GenAI bubble pops, I'm all for it. Plus no actor is really clean in this game, starting with OAI practically stealing all human content without asking for building their models.

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> using OpenAI outputs violating their ToS is considered cheating

I fail to see how that is any different than any other training data scraped from the web. If someone shares a big dump of outputs from OpenAI models and I train my model on that then I'm not violating OpenAI's terms of service because I haven't agreed to them (so I'm not violating contract law), and everyone in the space (including OpenAI themselves) has already collectively decided that training on All Rights Reserved data is fair use (so I'm not violating copyright law either).

I know and I think the same as you, I'm just reproducing what other posters are arguing ITT.

I understand that that’s what others are saying, but I think it’s very silly. We’re talking about international businesses, not kids on a playground. The rules are what you can get away with (same way openai can train on the open internet without anyone doing a thing).

GPU export controls are basically the USA “cheating” to try and stay ahead.

Looks like it didn’t work though.

It works the opposite way, LOL.

The Chinese gov spent a lot of money trying to support chip manufacturing but kept failing from 2000 to 2020.

Every company preferred to buy chips from the US or outsource manufacturing to TSMC. Local semiconductor companies, especially in manufacturing, moved super slowly, even freezing up at times.

Then, when the chip ban happened, all local companies were forced to buy and manufacture chips locally. Those struggling semiconductor companies suddenly got all the resources and market overnight.

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