They're making good points.
One thing that sorta bugs me is karma arbitrageurs. Stuff that runs on HN turns up within a day on TrueReddit et al and vice versa.
If there was a buck in it I'd write a bot to do it.
One thing that sorta bugs me is karma arbitrageurs. Stuff that runs on HN turns up within a day on TrueReddit et al and vice versa.
If there was a buck in it I'd write a bot to do it.
I think the real story is that as usual anything that involves 4chan gets upvoted to the top here, indicating there might be some significant overlap between the two userbases, as much as they might both dislike it.
Here's a link to the archive in case it 404s: http://archive.installgentoo.net/g/thread/26490724
At this point, criticizing Hacker News is low-hanging fruit - and as a result gets a lot of karma.
Well, if this comment even shows up, I guess that's it for this account, too. Oh well. To each their own.
The comment in question, the "Heh.", is gone -- and so is the comment it was a response to, something about Chomsky being about politics, not science, even more flamebaity than my "heh."
Not that it matters. It's their site: they can do what they want, I can try to get around it until I get bored of that. No hard feelings, but also not a whole lot respect.
> "have you moderated a forum before and dealt with abusive trolls who keep coming back?"
Have you ever been censored for disagreeing? Did that make you a.) more or b.) less of a pain in the ass? But actually, I just make a new account when I want to speak my mind on something, more often than not it's offering a correction or a link. So yeah, I keep coming back. And why not.
You can't just define anyone who gets banned as troll, spammer, or otherwise malicious. That's not what those words mean.
But fair enough. I can imagine a moderator seeing your comment show up at http://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments then either reflexively banning or seeing your karma is sub-100 before doing so.
> Have you ever been censored for disagreeing?
Are you saying your "heh" was disagreement? In any case, yes, and it makes me shrug--it doesn't affect my pain-in-the-ass attribute. If I want my opinion online and google-able, I have places to put it where it won't be censored. If I want to debate, I've found HN is useful for quite a lot of subjects but still shies from those which pretty much everywhere with a karma system shies from (so that includes academia)--HN is nevertheless fairly tolerant if you have a coherent point to make, at least for a while. Even moldbug (http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=moldbug) lasted for quite a while with all his controversy before he got hellbanned. His case of banning is one of several I strongly disagree with, but that's not enough to discount the entire concept of hellbanning. Of course it's not a perfect system--e.g. it'd be nice if HN users with >10k karma could reverse one.
Most likely the system just lost that part of the thread. On a big site like this, performance is usually more important than data integrity, so the odd loss of comments is considered acceptable.
From the point of view of a reader, however, having information about what will likely get moderated be scattered rather than gathered in one place decreases a reader's exposure to text written by people who have not read a lot of comment sections.
In short, your HN comment is a bit clueless.
But you're right, it's for example this passive-aggressive condescension by people who don't even know what they're talking about, but want to give their 2 cents anyway, I don't play very nice with.
Note I did say "(willful?)" Thanks for clearing that question up.
Also, the irony of the functional similarity of your post and its parent is left as an exercise. (Though you're probably feeling too righteous to get it and would be furious if you did.)
mind = boggled.
I am more than willing to out myself. The discussion is exactly proving the point why 4chan is such a fascinating place. Sure it has lots of "distortion" but in the end it is one of the few places that does not sugar coat reality and the absence of any "punishments" produce raw insights. That is why the only "communities" I am somewhat active on are hn and 4chan. One because it provides a more supportive environment, the other because it isn't afraid to go there where it hurts. I never could find a reason to join those in-betweeners ala Reddit.
Well, I'm sitting on a 15 day ban right now, so I'm not a 4chan user at the moment.
> sitting on a 15 day ban...
Out of curiosity, what earns one a 15 day ban on 4chan?
* This is what HN thinks, what does reddit think * LoL @ reddit, what do you think HN?
...when the communities are healthy, each has an interesting perspective to add.