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I’ve been a developer since the 90s. Mainly on the JVM, some Objective-C, and too much JavaScript garbage. I would gladly take a junior position, making junior pay if I could get an entry-level Rust gig. I know that’s not going to happen, but I sure would like it too.

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I did Rust full time in a senior position around 2020 for a year. It's interesting at first and then it gets tedious. I have no interest in going back to Rust.

> I have no interest in going back to Rust.

What are you doing instead? I'm curious what you're comparing it to.

Too many rust jobs are in crypto or web3 stuff right now. Even if you like that tech, it's pretty undeniable that those industries are boom/bust and quite risky.

Seeing as I haven't worked in almost five months, that doesn't bother me at all.

I honestly have no idea what kind of developers are getting jobs in the current market. I have plenty of experience, but it's just not going to happen right now without miracles.

There are fewer rust jobs, but those that are there are reallly pretty desperate. Most have stopped agreeing to train people because of the time involved, and the risk someone won’t really take to it. Learn rust in your own to a basic fluency and you’ll be able to find a job

Oh, I've taken the time to learn the language and tooling. It means I would take a junior position, and I don't mind that. I'm not chasing money anymore, I just want to enjoy what I do again, because I don't anymore.

So... Where are these jobs? I have basic fluency and I'll take anything.

I had 2 interviews for jobs that happened to use rust, but they were cut off early from hiring someone farther in the process.

I've talked to AI hardware companies using rust for firmware. A couple other companies needing firmware that decided to use rust. Another three companies doing firmware infrastructure in rust. One company doing wide area SDN services. Two database companies. Every single crypto/web3/defi company. Two groups doing datalog-esque work. Two cloud AI infrastructure companies.

1Password recently had job openings for Rust positions for interns. Wouldn't call them desperate.

Be the change you want to see. I work at a polyglot company, and I intend to start using Rust for my own projects when it’s an appropriate fit (which it would be for a lot of the stuff I’m doing).

Sadly I'd need to get a job first then be credible enough to start working on an "exotic" language. It'd be nice to hit two birds with one stone but jobs in general are still far from bouncing back.

I had an opportunity to get an entry-level Rust job, but I rejected it because it paid only $500/mo. Now I regret it.

That's not even close to minimum wage!

Depends in which country.

America's pathetically low Federal minumim wage is $7.25/hr. $1160/month before taxes.

But never mind minumum wage. Thars an insulting amount of money for a systems language that is generally wielded for safety critical tasks (or tasks that benefit from that mentality,).

You underestimate how poor Ukraine is. When I was in college, one of my teachers was a recent graduate, and when I talked to her, she said she was getting paid $200/mo, and she even added that she thought it was good for a young woman. But, shortly after, she left the job. I hope she's doing alright. So what I'm saying is that it's not really the company's fault, in fact they seemed nice, it's more like they probably just couldn't afford to pay more.

Yeah that's why I rejected it. I'm a Ukranian national and that was a remote job at a Ukranian company, and I had to reject it because I live in Canada. But now I think maybe it could have been worth it to accept it and just move to like Poland or something, but you never know.

Rent even in Romania is like 400 euros and you don't even get a good area / all that great apt for that. I rejected a job for 500e even in 2018 in Bucharest.

I pay around 700e per month (all expenses included) for a 2 room (br + living room) in a 2000+ apt building 10 minutes away by scooter from the center of Bucharest right now.

500 USD/month it's enough to survive in Poland anymore. Minimum monthly wage is $1173 before taxes or $883 after taxes and that's not enough to make a living if you have to rent.

At this rate, just take unpaid leave to learn Rust yourself.

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