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if Ukraine wants to end the war they need to defeat Putin if Russia wants to end the war they need to leave

why are you blaming Ukraine

Or they can negotiate for peace. This is how most wars end. It is also how this war will end. If only the 2022 Istanbul negotiations were supported by the west instead of being undermined. If I were Ukrainian I would be furious with the western 'allies', essentially lying about unconditional support and promoting an impossible outcome for their own geopolitical interests. Utterly shameful.

"negotiate for peace" means capitulation if russia gets to keep occupied ukrainian territory

the world tried this in the past and it did not work out so well

Russia will keep going until they are stopped

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This is not the case. A Russian puppet took over the Ukrainian government on promises of aligning Ukraine with Europe and was removed by the Ukrainian people when it was clear he had lied. He then fled to Russia, where he belongs. The legislature did the equivalent of impeachment+removal to remove him from office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

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