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No point. YC doesn't want this to be discussed.

Let's go somewhere else instead.

And/or maybe start something else?

You're welcome to go somewhere else and/or start whatever you like, but the assumption "YC doesn't want this to be discussed" is inaccurate (and kind of strange to me, as HN has tons of threads about this kind of thing). I just put the other thread about this back on the front page.

Such generosity. One whole thread during a month or so.

Edit: And this was where I was rate-limited.

These aren't getting flagged by 'YC', just like your local bowling league is not oppressing book clubs and Ren Faire by not organizing those things.

YC built the flagging functionality and handles the exceptions. This is highly upvoted but "flagged" post number like 300 in this general area.

So yeah, I feel like we all need somewhere else to meet.

You can send an email and ask for an exception to be made. 'YC built the flagging' feels like somewhat non-responsive sophistry to me - users are rejecting these stories because HN is is not a current affairs forum. I don't think you're meaningfully defending the claim 'YC doesn't want this discussed' at all. And you just made it.

> users are rejecting these stories

I find this kind of confusing, why "flag" and not just click "hide" for your self?

Why is there a subset of HN users that think they need to make sure I can't see articles they don't want either?

Because repetitive flamewars make the rest of HN flamey and worse, and enough of it can burn the whole place down - this is a thing that happens to forums and HN is explicitly built around the premise of fending that off for as long as possible.

It's also intended as an "unsiloed" online community - there are no sub-hns, we all look at the same stuff and react to and discuss the things on the front page. There is a big subset (I think easily the majority) who care about the nature of HN - a nerd forum of mostly nerd-curiosity things and don't want it changed to something else. A site for discussing current news/political events would be something else.

There is a karma tier for downvoting comments. Perhaps that line should be drawn higher for flagging content. There is way too much being flagged as a downvote versus as a flag.

There is way too much being flagged as a downvote versus as a flag.

What's the evidence for this? That users are flagging regular news stories?

> What's the evidence for this?

Compare the front page and lists/active [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/active

I'm looking at it and I'm not seeing what you're seeing. What currently active story do you feel should be on the front page? Or stories since you're saying this is a common problem.

Apparently electric cars are no longer tech, since every post mentioning Tesla gets flagged. And Musk is no longer appropriate, despite remaining CEO of Tesla and owning SpaceX and Twitter. Did you know Tesla announced how many cars it delivered, giving actual numbers to the recent speculation? Not news here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43556443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43556463

(and probably others with fewer upvotes)

“It’s tech” is not in itself a golden ticket to HN ontopicness. Both of your links are effective dupes (by HN’s long established dupery rules) - they have had multiple recent discussions. Both are also repeat flamewar topics. This is about as basic, bog-standard and righteous user flagging as it gets.

And yet, one of those articles has since been unflagged by a moderator.

Why do you think that? Both of these articles look flagged to me and I don't see any moderator commentary in them. Also, even if they were unflagged, they are clearly never going to be on the front page. I can't see any evidence that there was some kind of moderator intervention there, they're completely obvious dupes.

Sorry, I thought the Financial Times one had been unflagged, but must have been looking at the wrong tab. I don't see how they are dupes though - both are about todays (yesterdays?) numbers released by Tesla. There have been a lot of articles speculating demand in various countries (also flagged to oblivion), but this is about actual deliveries this last quarter with actual numbers. They also both did hit the front page before being flagged. The ft one sitting at 135 votes at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=last24h, just above Lois Borge meeting a founder of AI. This is what happens - articles get upvoted because people are interested, hit the front page, get noticed by the flaggers when they come online, and get flagged.

I don't see how they are dupes though

That's how dupes work on HN - they go by 'are you going to get the same thread'. There have been many Tesla sale threads, they are all the same and none are in the slightest bit interesting.

This is what happens - articles get upvoted because people are interested, hit the front page, get noticed by the flaggers when they come online, and get flagged.

Many people upvote things that are offtopic on HN, especially news items they have strong feelings a bout. Other people then flag them because these things are offtopic on HN and often repetitive. That sounds more or less how it's supposed to work?

We will remember the American general indifference to this idiotic and destructive trade war.

Ok but you said YC is suppressing this story on HN and I don't believe that is true and it looks like you don't believe it is true either.

I've thought about firing a forum or web IRC back up just for topics like these but I suspect it would just attract a lot of hate. I came here to escape running such sites but I am conflicted. It almost makes sense as anything political that is permitted here becomes instantly biased and there is a lot of misinformation, emotions and dog-piling from people that are unwittingly stuck in echo chambers. I would also have to find a CDN that would accept the hate. I do not usually implement CDN's for my personal sites but most VPS providers are cowards these days.

The idea that there is no opportunity in these policies is peak Silicon Valley head-in-the-sandedness.

Yes, they’re destructive to the country. But they still also create massive loopholes and thus opportunities for profit.

What if, in their inevitable reversal, the markets rebound massively?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Qys2OEad0

Reduced demand for French wines in the US means more for me: bring it on!

> Reduced demand for French wines in the US means more for me: bring it on

Yeah. Seriously. My guess is there is there will be increased demand from American tourists for offshore wine country, and from foreigners looking to replace their American wine purchases.

lemmy, lobsters, etc.?

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