This is huge. The 20-30 minute charge is very clearly a bottleneck, despite owners saying its a good opportunity to go into Target and do some shopping.
Never mind "target" shopping, for 2 people to each stetch legs and use the restroom in turn, is already 10 minutes.
Get another bottle of water at the attached convenience store, and you're close to the 20 minute mark.
And if small children were also involved, then well...
If you stop every 2 hours, you don't need the full 20 minutes to fully charge anyway.
20 mins is about where you equal the other, human time constraints. i.e. no longer the bottleneck.
Of course. That's where my other comment is relevant: " "very fast charging" should not be the default, it should be rare. ... the default is overnight at home or during the day at office or a mall, with the software giving you that "topped up as specified, every morning, that's better than what an a ICE vehicle can provide"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43671612
i.e. with an EV and commute, you can slow charge and also never "stop for gas", ever. The vehicle is just ready, every day.
If you "don't live in a place where you can have a car charger" at home or at work, then IMHO an EV is not ideal for you, yet. The infrastructure isn't ready for you, work on that first.
That's very different from needing to charge in 10 minutes on a road trip. For most people even a garage with access to a 110v wall socket is sufficient to cover daily commute driving. If you don't have that or a place to charge at work, yeah going electric is a chore.
I haven't had to visit a gas station since I got it so that's about 10 minutes a week this year saved. So I'm up almost 2 and a half hours so far this year.
Gas stations are ubiquitous simply because they are 100 years worth of infrastructure roll out.
If you're saying that EV infrastructure isn't there yet, then you're stating the obvious.
But, and hear me out :
a) Will it stay that way? If 50% of vehicles are EV's then 50% of gas stations could be out of business, and that's a re-enforcing spiral of inconvenience. My view is that there some cases where a fossil fuel vehicle is the best choice. But when they're under 10% of all cases, will the infrastructure agree, or nix it by being 10% as common as it is now? Past a certain point the whole distribution system is unprofitable and just folds up. Then gasoline engines go the way of the horse: A few people still ride them, but it's mostly an impractical, expensive hobby with known issues with the smelly stuff that comes of of the back of them.
b) Gas stations of any kind, even bad ones, are rare at a home. Electrical plugs - wall sockets - are EV chargers usable for some purposes, and almost all homes have them. That level of emergency infrastructure is hard to beat.
I didn't say that it was "20 minutes every 2 hours" - in fact the sentence "If you stop every 2 hours, you don't need the full 20 minutes " says that it's less than that.
Your specific case described "10 mins stop every 6-7 hours" is extreme and of questionable safety. How much fluid did you consume during that time?
I'm not going to say "don't do it", but lets not pretend that it's the average use, or even your average use. So you should not optimise for that at the expense of making other cases worse.
You're also saying that the comparable charging time, even for extreme cases like this, is not all that far off.
That was in a 2002. What huge quality of life improvements we’ve made…
We just rented one with an ICE, because they only have mild-hybrids.
We need a 15-20min rest after every ~2h (~120miles) anyway.
I cannot refuel unattended, thus the 500+ miles of range are nice, but I would be more than happy to reload a BEV at every stop. 120miles of extra range should be doable, even in just 15min. Considering we could start with at least 80% battery charge, we wouldn't need the full 120miles extra at every stop.
I don't see the problem even with small batteries (58kW netto) and the charging rate (e.g. ID3 above 100kWh @ 10-80%). It's only a problem if chargers aren't well maintained, or stupid ICE drivers block a station out of malice (and yes: mainly the same sickheads that are responsible for the current economic debacle).