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You call this progress?

https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers...

  My chin split open, and I had to get 7 stitches. After the impact, I was hanging upside down watching blood drip down to the glass sun roof, not knowing where I was bleeding from. I unbuckled my seatbelt and sat on the fabric interior in the middle of the two front seats, and saw that my phone’s crash detection went off and told me the first responders were on their way. My whole body was in shock from the incident.

  Wally said he was on Tesla FSD v13.2.8 on Hardware 4, Tesla’s latest FSD technology. He requested that Tesla send him the data from his car to better understand what happened.

This is not progress, these cars should not be on the road, they are a menace to society. I would never put my life or my family's lives in the hands of Tesla hardware and software. But let me guess, it'll be fixed in HW5, sure. We all just have to be the beta testers.

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Lol. Don't bother defending your initial blatant lie, just move on to another one. The crash report shows that, prior to the car veering off the road, 2NM of torque was applied to the steering wheel disengaging FSD and that the turning force was applied until the car crashed. The brake was never pressed.

This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD. This could easily be cleared up if he showed the driver facing camera the car records in a crash.... But something tells me he won't do that.

You don't fact check things very well. That's two blatant falsehoods you've swallowed. What else are you wrong about.

Well if you applied Tesla’s rationalization for their failures, if the driver fell asleep before the crash, it clearly wasn’t his fault as he wasn’t in control.

How is what I said a lie??

My initial post said: "they can't be programmed to not do things, like not run though a picture of a road like Wile E Coyote."

Then someone said: "That video was not FSD, but an old version of “driver assist”."

Then I linked a video showing that in fact FSD was driving through the wall.

Obviously if you have to upgrade the hardware to not run through the wall, then they can't program their current cars to not do so. Because, as I've said since the beginning: their sensors stack is insufficient.

And that's the standard line with Tesla fans is constantly shifting the goal posts. It was supposed to be the case that in 2016, all Teslas sold would be equipped with hardware capable of self driving, because Elon told us that cameras were enough. And yet, they have required hardware refresh after hardware refresh after hardware refresh (now on V5) because he's been wrong time and time again. Because cameras aren't enough.

And what is this progress you speak of? Just special casing edge cases while leaving fundamentally flawed hardware and software on the road. Now it's 2025 and maybe finally HW5 will bring it? I guess we'll have to see because nothing Elon says can be trusted as fact.

> This person is just too embarrassed to admit they fell asleep at the wheel and the weight of their hand disengaged FSD

Ah yes, a driverless system that actually doesn't prevent you from crashing because you fell asleep. I don't know why you feel this alternative take makes Tesla's product look any better. Such progress. Much driverless. It's like a sailboat that sinks instead of floating.

Facts:

FSD will not randomly drive off the road and your post showed a human turning the steering wheel by accident.

Progress:

HW4>HW3 and HW4 cars can see painted walls HW5 exists and will be deployed soon.

Goalposts shifted by you = 2

> Facts: FSD will not randomly drive off the road

How do you know? The point of the video I posted from Youtube was in response to a chorus of people claiming the looney tunes test wasn't valid because FSD wouldn't be affected by it. And yet, they demonstrated FSD plowing through the wall. So Tesla had to respond by upgrading the entire HW stack, because a HW3 car apparently doesn't have the necessary hardware to see the wall. That's called moving a goalpost.

We have Teslas driving into walls, Teslas driving into firetrucks, Teslas driving under tractor trailers and decapitating their passengers. Presumably they weren't supposed to randomly do that either, yeah?

So with what confidence can you tell me they won't drive off the road? Has Tesla proved this? Is there independent testing that has verified it won't? Is there any guarantee Tesla can offer that they won't? Does Tesla even make this claim?

> HW4>HW3 and HW4 cars can see painted walls HW5 exists and will be deployed soon.

The entire existence of HW4 shows us that cameras are not enough. The entire thesis of Musk is that this should have been possible with the original Tesla sensor stack, so why are we on HW5?

  “The Model 3, Model Y, and S and X that we make today, will be capable of full autonomy, unsupervised.” If that sounds familiar, it is because he said almost exactly the same thing several times in the past, as far back as 2016. Musk reiterated this sentiment after the release of HW3/AI3 in 2019, and as we all know, Tesla has since released HW4/AI4, and has HW5/AI5 on the horizon.

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-expects-to-roll-out-u...

You want goalpost moving, that's goalpost moving.

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