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Do you get any pushback from users when it comes to the forced apple id to be able to use the computer or do updates?

I recently tried my former m1 air for the first time in a couple years, but the forced apple id to be able to even use the hardware soured my taste. That combined with the $99/year fee for development (vs one-time $35 fee for android) convinced me it wasn't worth my time, and I sold it.

Windows tries to do this, but you can at least bypass it with a pro version and a simple command during setup.

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I don't think an Apple ID is required for updates. It's easier to skip the Apple ID than it is on Windows.

I just looked it up, and you're correct. I must have misinterpreted its messages to me, or maybe it was the one-prompt-too many for it as I was using it that got to me.

Edit: I think I remember now. As I was using the terminal it was asking me to allow it to access directories as I was cd-ing into them. That forced use of the mouse was too much, even if there was probably a trivial way to disable it.

You can grant full disk access to the Terminal app in System Settings to prevent those permission dialogs. They’re in place by default to reduce effectiveness of people being socially engineered to paste in malicious commands.

Thanks. I understand the motivation for them being there. I think I'm just too old for it or something.

The danger is the fun. Ive noticed many games these days disable alt+f4. I consider it the same weird guardrail. The enjoyment is tricking people into doing things, or having a laugh after having been tricked. It's one really good way to make folks learn.

But also it can be bad. I get it. I'm just old.

It's just different. I was thrown off by it at first. Then I decided I prefer it.

If you like danger, you can boot into recovery mode and run csrdisable. Then you can rm -rf / or do whatever else.

Personally, I leave it on.

You can absolutely install, run and update macOS without an Apple ID.

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