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It’s not a mystery in my opinion. Israeli and American intelligence are heavily involved with each other. Israel knows all of America’s deepest secrets. The financial ties run deep. Israel has been injecting large quantities of capital into US politics. All of this has been happening for half a century.

It’s only a mystery if you think we pick our allies solely on the basis of whether we think they’re a goody or baddy.

https://x.com/michaelmezz/status/1950991625934741990

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7HqfqtlueI

As if the US is expected to be good here? The region is important if you want to control the world.

US ruling class are Zionists. They are all part of the same club. Doesn’t matter if it is not in the interest of the US state, only that it benefits their own interests.

Sort of. There are at least two, overlapping aspects to Israel affinity: religion and money.

The Christian right are selective, fatalistic "Zionists" with magical thinking beliefs that, in their view, lasts until the apocalypse because they believe some Jews will convert and others will meet a bad end. Since they don't really care about Jews except as a means to end everything and meet Jesus, does that count as "Zionism"?

Rich, authoritarian criminals. Which is a bit redundant because "rich" suffices. Netanyahu and Trump are both in roughly similar predicaments compared to extreme examples like Putin and Kim Jong Un. They've done things to anger ordinary people but refuse to concede power for fear of prosecution or worse, and so do everything to insulate and extend their rules.

> Since they don't really care about Jews except as a means to end everything and meet Jesus, does that count as "Zionism"?

Yes. More specifically: Christian Zionism [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism].

Zero sum game logic. Pursuit of power at the expense of everything else. Capitalism. Take your pick.

It's pretty disgusting.

Geopolitics doesnt change because someone was mean. Its all about power and influence. Isreal is key for enacting and protecting American interests in the region. Whats happening in Palestine hurts in the short term but I think average people will forget about it in a year and the US foreign policy will be business as usual. Its brutal to think about but I cant see it going any other way, most of the people upset by whats going on had never heard about gaza before oct 7th.

There is absolutely nothing critical to US national security that Israel can provide the United States. When you say “protecting American interests” what you really mean is protecting Israeli interests. America has no national security interest in Israeli settlement expansion in West Bank, Gaza & southern Syria.

The intelligence Israel does provide the US is related to conflicts & terrorist groups that wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Israel itself.

Literally all the Middle East countries host US military bases and are puppet states of the US anyway so I don’t see how Israel provides any value.

“Israel is an albatross around America’s neck” - John Mearsheimer

https://youtu.be/dqeGW4G_Bmo?si=D5ZiURk4IzFRwiIN

Israel provides America with nothing, that’s a tired old trope. Even conservatives recognize it:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/israel-strategic-liability-u...

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