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If CV cheats are good enough that people are using them (and then getting banned), and other people are willing to pay >$1000 for "undetected" cheats (that still get them banned)... wouldn't making custom hardware that is just a capture card and USB keyboard+mouse running one of those CV models that sends the inputs back over a "real" keyboard work?

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Those can also be detected.

If it uses a 2nd input device, that's just obvious.

If it properly mixes its input into your main device, there will still be hints.

A real mouse has a limited range of motion. It can't keep moving left or right indefinitely.

Real players don't immediately gravitate towards the geometric center of the head of every enemy.

Real players don't try to move the mouse to shoot at enemies on the loading screen.

Real players have coordinated or stereotyped mouse and keyboard movements. They don't react instantly with the mouse but after a delay on the keyboard, for instance.

In my experience a good aimbot is impossible to tell from a normal player when you play ranked at a high competitive level, at least not with any degree of certainty that I think is worth banning people for. The cheaters you lose to at that level are the ones calling out your positions to their team because they can see you on the minimap while they aren't supposed to, things like that.

Trigger bots (shoots when it detects an enemy using CV AND you are holding some key/pedal) are much harder to detect, almost impossible if effort is taken to make the time distribution believable.

This article reads like it was written by an LLM and it doesn't mention how these "undetected" DMA cheats are actually caught. The anti-cheat teams join discords of vendors to get access to the cheats and flag users based on the heuristics they observe from the vendors firmware (that DMA card / hardware has to show up as _something_). So yeah, your setup can work (as long as you’re sticking to the drivers and input methods they tolerate), and the same goes for private DMA cheats.

Yes the hallmarks of llm is there.

The post doesn't seem to elaborate on how Riot detects and bans people using that sort of cheat, but you can detect some % of those people by analyzing their inputs. Humans don't play the way an aimbot does.

The DMA cheaters are caught when riot gets access to the vendors firmware and ban the people that are using it, not by the cheats themselves. Colorbots run on the same PC so these can be caught in various ways.

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