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across "democratic societies" around the world, they're pushing the goalposts while the elected officials are arguing for pragmatism, which inspires that servile middle of the road idealism in the voting bloc, while everybody knows that in times like these pragmatism is another form of cowardice.

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Please don't mistake my post as arguing for pragmatism in the abstract.

The GGP was saying we should avoid idealistic rhetoric and focus on the pragmatics of what these governments are trying to do. I responded saying that, even if we do that, public opinion still matters.

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