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> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women

The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.

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Discrimination along protected attributes such as gender would be highly illegal though, so no doubt you’d have tons of evidence to present beyond “gossipy HR ladies”.

I didn't mention gossip at all. Are you pretending to quote something I never said, to just perfectly illustrate the bad faith nonsense that is ever-injected into even simple conversations about this topic?

It might be worth Googling James Damore as an early example of this chilling effect.

ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.

> ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.

This seems like a very roundabout way of saying there was no evidence of discrimination against women :-/

Where are you going with this? Because if "no evidence == did not happen", then that's true for the decades prior to the 90s, right?

Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that

To be fair, no one person or even group defines "feminism", or "masculinity", or anything of the sort. It's a big cafeteria, and there's a lot of food to be flung around.

Ummm… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto seems pretty overtly against men.

(It’s literally the society for cutting up men)

Feminist quoting Wikipedia to prove something is like a christian quoting the bible.

And that's representative of feminism as a whole how exactly?

this is literally a handpicked "misandrist manifesto". This is absolutely not about feminism.

You said “never”. I agree that in general it’s a positive force but I think it’s insincere to claim that there has never been an anti man angle to some feminist writing.

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