Do you really think your values are that pervasive, even here in HN (which tends towards an echo chamber)?
The only one's who can't see this are so hopelessly deluded, they cannot be reasoned with.
Do you also believe the hoax that Musk, officially "a dear friend of Israel", performed the salute on stage?
Talk about being hopelessly deluded.
No one needs to like the man or consider him trustworthy, but the kind of hate you and many other liberals display? Totally unreasonable.
That you still believe otherwise makes evident your delusion.