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26 million people killed in Soviet Union. Jews massacred in Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine by the local population (not all of them participated, but your current friends ideological fathers did). Only in Leningrad's blocade 2 million people died.

It was the Soviet Army which liberated Auschwitz, Soviet Army which crushed the nazi war machine starting from Stalingrad.

And these are the main points which your nauseating antirussian propaganda pretends as if it does not exist. And the rest, some of it happened, some of it did not. And wikipedia is not a reliable source for historic events, itis full of propaganda as most educated people realize.

[Just saw that this comment got hidden; if it was not so dangerous, one could have only laughed at how the "free speech" warriors want to suppress other people's views. Nothing new of course.]

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Speaking of things people pretend not to exist, Russian historiography frames WWII as lasting from 1941 to 1945. The USSR conspired with the Nazis to divide Europe[1], invaded Poland from the east in cooperation with Germany[2], held a joint victory parade when Soviet and German forces met[3], murdered the Polish people in an industrial manner[4], and so forth. Later, it pretended that the war began only in 1941 and that none of this had happened. These events were officially acknowledged only in the early 1990s, in the final days of the USSR.

And these were only the opening months of the war. Here is Soviet officer Leonid Rabichev giving a chilling description of the final months of the war in Prussia and the extent of Soviet atrocities against civilians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928

Stories like these are why the phrase "Soviet liberators" is used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

"Conspired with the nazis to divide Europe" - was pushed to reach an agreement with Germany by the other parties, Soviet Union did realize the danger of the nazi regime, and this was not the preferred course, even for Stalin's regime.

"Used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe"

You just forgot to add "after decades of antirussian propaganda". And still, there are people who don't think about it sarcastically at all, they just are not allowed to speak (if they don't want to lose work, or to get processed by the state for "negating history").

As for the rest go and get the skeletons out from your own closet, there are plenty of them there.

So now Soviet Union was "pushed" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and to attack independent countries? I'm sure modern Russia was also "pushed" to attack Ukraine and Georgia?

There's no need for antirussian propaganda. The Russian actions speak for themselves, have always done so, and will continue to do so.

> I'm sure modern Russia was also "pushed" to attack Ukraine and Georgia?

Well yeah, that is indeed what the Russian argument is: America/NATO forced us to attack Ukraine. There was no choice!

Yes all those things are true, but the Red Army raping and pillaging on a massive scale in the liberated areas is also true. Bringing the dark side of one's history to light (no matter the country) isn't propaganda but the first step towards freeing yourself from state propaganda. The Soviet Union already seemed to be have been further in that process after Stalin's death than Russia is today.

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