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Because bush invaded Iraq the current guy gets a free pass to round up immigrants with gestapo like tactics?
These “but in the past…” posts come off as excusing current wrongs and it seems willful
We need to have a much more complex and nuanced conversation than "Orange man bad," even given that orange man is very much bad. Otherwise he won't be the last, much less the worst.
“it burned down before this is more of the same hurrrummmph.”
Democracy cannot rest or it is eroded, so yes bad things happened. American is flawed but over time has worked towards improving itself and going towards its ideals of equality. But every inch forward is hard fought against the likes of the current administration. Suffrage, voting rights, environmental regulations, abolition were all won as huge battles against those clinging to and abusing power.
The way these “but America has always been…” post are toned, if we listened to the likes of them then none of those victories would have occurred.
Listening to them, we backslide. Dwelling on past imperfections instead of fighting today’s fire? Thats Self sabotage.
These posts are never framed in a constructive way, like how do we right the wrongs of the past, how can we make reparations for them. No, they’re framed like “we’ve always been bad, so this current bad is not so bad”
They seem to be insidiously on the side of injustice, trying to diminish current ills so that they may continue.
If I were a totalitarian leader of any sort, I’d definitely be having my propagandists go after any country more liberal and try to paint them as also authoritarian and bad, and always that way.
Are you denying America has not improved itself? Slavery was horrible but slavery was ended even though it took a massive bloody war. Thats an extreme example but there are plenty.
No no, to the Debbie downers we are and always have been the equivalent of mao, Stalin, mussolini, and polpot
The latter is "normalizing", the former is attempting to get folks to understand a broader context.
This is not whataboutism. Trying to shift it to the past is not helping the cause. If all countries are fascist because they did something like this some time ago then the word has no useful meaning anymore.
So now in the eyes of some centrist American who has any national pride and half a brain you are making a biased argument. Then yall act surprised why they elect Trump AGAIN.
> It’s not about the past.
You literally said US has always been fascist. This is wrong if you look at the dictionary of what fascist is. Show how authoritarian, intolerant, oppressive US was under Obama for example.
It's one thing to say US could do better and another thing to say US has always been fascist while there are tons of countries that were 50x more fascist (and racist too, which is a different thing) than US, like PRC or USSR (side note it's funny how some american lefties I meet straight up admire them).
It’s a shame how brainwashed Americans are. You think everything was great under Obama? lol
- "everything was great" does not imply "not fascist"
- "not everything was great" does not imply "fascist"
you did not answer my simple question. you clearly refuse to have a serious discussion
Good luck.