Everything is an interpretation of the data that the camera has to do
What about this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35107601
What about this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35107601
You can look it up because it's published on the web but IIRC it's generally what you'd expect. It's okay to do whole-image processing where all pixels have the same algorithm applied like the basic brightness, contrast, color, tint, gamma, levels, cropping, scaling, etc filters that have been standard for decades. The usual debayering and color space conversions are also fine. Selectively removing, adding or changing only some pixels or objects is generally not okay for journalistic purposes. Obviously, per-object AI enhancement of the type many mobile phones and social media apps apply by default don't meet such standards.
I downsized it to 170x170 pixels
My point is that there IS an experiment which would show that Samsung is doing some nonstandard processing likely involving replacement. The evidence provided is insufficient to show that
For example see
You can try to guess the location of edges to enhance them after upscaling, but it's guessing, and when the source has the detail level of a 170x170 moon photo a big proportion of the guessing will inevitably be wrong.
And in this case it would take a pretty amazing unblur to even get to the point it can start looking for those edges.
You did not link an example of upscaling, the before and after are the same size.
Unsharp filters enhance false edges on almost all images.
If you claim either one of those are wrong, you're being ridiculous.
And to be clear, everyone including Apple has been doing this since at least 2017
The problem with what Samsung was doing is that it was moon-specific detection and replacement
I zoomed in on the monitor showing that image and, guess what, again you see slapped on detail, even in the parts I explicitly clipped (made completely 100% white):
The first words I said were that Samsung probably did this
And you're right that I didn't read the dozens of edits which were added after the original post. I was basing my arguments off everything before the "conclusion section", which it seems the author understands was not actually conclusive.
I agree that the later experiments, particularly the "two moons" experiment were decisive.
Also to be clear, I know that Samsung was doing this, because as I said I worked at a competitor. At the time I did my own tests on Samsung devices because I was also working on moon related image quality
From one of the comments there:
> When people take a picture on the moon, they want a cool looking picture of the moon, and every time I have take a picture of the moon, on what is a couple of year old phone which had the best camera set up at the time, it looks awful, because the dynamic range and zoom level required is just not at all what smart phones are good at.
> Hence they solved the problem and gave you your picture of the moon. Which is what you wanted, not a scientifically accurate representation of the light being hit by the camera sensor. We had that, it is called 2010.
Where does one draw the line though? This is a kind of lying, regardless of the whole discussion about filters and photos always being an interpretation of raw sensor data and whatnot.
Again, where does one draw the line? The person taking a snapshot of the moon expects a correlation between the data captured by the sensor and whatever they end up showing their friends. What if the camera only acknowledged "ok, this user is trying to photograph the moon" and replaced ALL of the sensor data with a library image of the moon it has stored in its memory? Would this be authentic or fake? It's certainly A photo of the moon, just not a photo taken with the current camera. But the user believes it's taken with their camera.
I think this is lying.