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44 million US households have no garage, including ~2/3 of renters

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Sounds like a market opportunity for kerb-side, low speed, charging points.

Not to mention parking garages for daytime parking at work.

Not to mention mall parking lots.

The garage is an obvious starting point, because your car spends a lot of time there, but there are lots of opportunities elsewhere.

Once upon a time 44 million households didn't have electricity. Things change.

I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge.

So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route?

EVs are a bad solution to a problem I don’t have. Hybrids are much better.

For the small amount of driving I do, driving my commuter ICE car with a tiny, 35-mpg 4 cylinder engine is fine… why are the EV cultists so convinced their way is the only way and the rest of us are living in prehistoric times?

Plus, your EV is heavier than my ICE, so your tires shed rubber particulate more quickly than my tires due to the weight, which is also an environmental pollutant (that is toxic enough to kill wildlife, btw)

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd6951

>EV's produce 38% less tire & brake dust than ICE vehicles.

>non-exhaust emissions on an ICE vehicle are roughly 1/3 brake dust, 1/3 tire dust and 1/3 road dust. EV's have almost no impact on road dust, 83% lest brake dust and 20% more tire dust.

https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-cle...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219820

> though much of this is attributable to a vehicle mix that is more focused on larger vehicles, as it seems like every EV manufacturer is making huge SUVs and few are making small cars

My point exactly. Your new EV has more tire dust (and probably more brake dust) than my old, smaller ICE.

The study found that despite EVs being heavier, they produce less total tire and break dust. They produce more tire dust, but less break dust.

>> I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge. So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route?

Your car lives somewhere when you're not doing errands. Expect a charging point there as demand for that grows.

Not to mention charging points at the mall, shops, restaurants and so on.

Clearly it will be a long time before EV replaces ICE completely. There was lots of horse infrastructure which changed when cars appeared.

But the pendulum is swinging and each motion there opens up new opportunities.

Also each motion has an impact on existing infrastructure. Expect gas stations to be less common, ditto for mechanics and so on.

Hence the urgent need for charging infrastructure: Incentives to install charges in homes and rental unit garages and at curbsides.

Isn't it a lot easier just to sell people hybrids instead?

Yeah but don't we need to stop burning fossil fuels?

No? I haven't seen a "peak oil" article or prediction in at least ten years. It would be GREAT to reduce our dependence, to make them cleaner, to make them more efficient, and to increase the use of renewables. But who is saying we have to "stop" oil and gas?

Global warming.

I don't think reaching peak oil is the worry. The worry is climate change.

> But who is saying we have to "stop" oil and gas?

People who are concerned about climate change? Should we not be?

No. It's really easy to install charging points on office parking space and supermarket. You don't need to plug at home when half of the day the car is parked at places with chargers.

Comments like this are bubble coded. Plenty of people don't park at an office, don't park at a supermarket, certainly not for half the day

Not half a day, but BEVs are impractical today if you don’t have home charging, but throw in restaurants, movie theaters, doctor’s and dentist’s offices, and L2 charging starts to become a practical alternative for many.

Absolutely. And Toyota agrees with you.

The people in this thread have lost their minds in a cult of EV.

I don’t know why EV has to be the answer to every question. There are plenty of economical hybrid options.

In the short run. When I replaced my minivan with a PHEV my gas bill went down $200/month, my electric bill went up $30. Chargers where people park is a long term investment in lower costs for everyone. Hopefully chargers are everywhere in the future so we don't need the ICE at all. (I just bought a EV, I've barely had it a week and already have run out of battery - I was just able to reach a charger, but it required changing my route since there were none along the route I wanted)

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