Why are nazis kidnapping Americans in broad daylight? Osama Bin Laden. The most successful terror attack in history.
If we assume that the purpose of the terror attack was the official one, it has not been successful for its initiators, but for those controlling USA.
If "successful" is intended to refer to the fact that 3 out of 4 airplanes have reached their target, I remember how I watched live the events and I was stupefied that the 2nd and the 3rd airplanes have hit their targets. For the 1st airplane, it was normal to be successful, as nobody expected that action. But for the following 2, I was familiar with air defenses from places that are supposed to be much less advanced than USA and there was plenty of time to find the airplanes and shoot them down. I could never understand why this did not happen and even more I could never understand why there has never been any credible US official explanation for why it did not happen (I mean the explanation that they could not find the airplanes because they have turned off their transponders is not credible).
He probably didn't anticipate how successful he'd be. he attacked WTC because it's a symbol of finance and economy; pentagon, military. he had targets like that. If you recall, it wasn't the US alone that invaded Afghanistan, it was NATO. Now, using the very same reactionary forces of his 9/11 attack, that very force that retaliated after 9/11 is being destroyed.
The attack has killed a great number of innocent American citizens, but while this was a tragedy for their families, friends and relatives, this provided an opportunity for the US government and Republican Party of obtaining greatly increased powers and greatly increased spending and they have secured reelection and the ability to initiate a couple of wars from which some well-connected companies gained a lot.
There is nothing that Bush Junior could have done to gain so much as he did, other than USA being the victim of such an attack. Assuming that the US government had nothing to do with the attack, it was nonetheless the luckiest event that could have ever happened to them. Bin Laden and his followers have gained absolutely nothing, except cheering like fools for a few days that they have hurt their supposed enemies.
A few days? That one day led America to prosecute two wars for over a decade - both of which failed. Both of which seeded the ground for the current moment, as the prevailing political establishment has lost all credibility.
This century was supposed to belong to America. Go back and see how optimistic people where about the new millennium. Where is that now? It's gone.
Because the American government responded to one of the darkest days in history by:
1. Invading Afghanistan only to lose it two decades later to the very people they had tried to dislodge in the most painful way possible - literally running away on the tarmac while those that had risked their lives to support them were begging not to be abandoned.
2. Invading Iraq when there were no WMDs and Saddam Hussein has never had anything to do with the faction that was in Afghanistan. Thousands died for what? And we are still there even though that war was supposed to end long ago.
Both of these entities had previously been supplied weapons by the United States btw, in Afghanistan against the Soviets and in Iraq against Iran. No one was held accountable for that. Oops.
Why do you think people are voting for the system to be torn apart? You are correct the attack itself would not destroy America, as everyone knew. The question is what would America do after.
On that count, the failures were numerous and again, no one in power was ever held accountable. This is its own form of lawlessness that has encouraged the present circumstances.
Now a security apparatus that has failed to impose its will on the streets of the likes of Baghdad is manifesting in a new form in Minneapolis. Afghanistan was known as the graveyard of empires. The goal was to draw us there so it could once again live up to its name. In such a circumstance, success is not measured in a manner of days, but in years. Thus I very sadly find much to agree with in the comment you so eagerly dismissed.
Once they chew through the undocumented people in America, I wonder where the DHS is going to find the other 80 or 90 million people to deport?
Also a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts.
>a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts.
I'm not so sure about this. I think it depends on whose polls you believe. Here's one from Fox News from July of 2025 (before the absolute SNAFU in Minneapolis) which claims:
>The latest Fox News survey, released Monday, finds 3 in 10 back deporting all illegal immigrants, while 6 in 10 supports only deporting those charged with crimes but would allow others to stay and apply for citizenship. One in 10 favors letting all illegal immigrants remain in the U.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-depor...
In any case, I'm not a fan of creating a quasi-slave class out of illegal immigration. I think there should be stiff penalties that actually start to get applied to employers. I think it's fine to have demand based immigration, most people that can pass a security check and have a place to go should be allowed in.
However, that should be offset by a few restrictions... first, no social welfare benefits from taxpayer funds, or orgs that receive taxpayer funding. Second, pay floors based on job class. H1B should get paid at least $50/hr and farm workers at least $20/hr imo. I also think there should be a 100% employer paid tax that is used to fund education grants for STEM and vocational programs in the US. The pay floors and tax on imported labor are expressly to secure the future of citizens and act as a ballast against excess immigration to the detriment of existing citizens and working resident aliens.
I also think that you should have 10 years to assimilate and apply for citizenship... this should include learning the English language or ASL/braille if you are deaf. Citizenship testing should be in English or ASL/braille without benefit of a translator. I also think we need to eliminate birthright citizenship, that I don't believe the implementors meant for it to be interpreted nearly as broadly as it is currently applied.
I consider my takes above to be pretty reasonable... that said, I do feel that anyone who entered illegally and especially those in the country for decades without assimilating by learning the language well enough to communicate or to even attempt at becoming a legal resident should be deported. Not just those who commit felonies. While I'm pretty libertarian in most of my views, I think borders and national identity are important and both have been diluted for generations. Even if the "rah rah 'merica!" position was mostly propaganda, I feel it was largely beneficial to the nation as a whole.