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> I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist
Palestine ≠ Hamas
Pro-Palestinian ≠ Pro-Hamas
If you genuinely don't believe a significant number of people support the former but not the latter, I... don't even know what to tell you. It certainly says a lot that you can neither distinguish these two nor believe anyone else sees a distinction.
> They don't consistently care about any particular type of human suffering. Just opposing Zionists
People are not numbers for your narrative.
Whether on a population chart or on a death chart.
Again: you're ignoring more than half a century of history and extremely relevant differences regarding how each got into their current situations, whom the involved parties were, what the current situations even are, and what their futures might look like... and more.
Just because the number of deaths appears to have reached a similar order of magnitude that does not mean anyone who fails to display the same reaction to the situations the two groups of people have been in is a hypocrite.
While I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing, Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population.
Polling Israeli or US citizens on the extremist groups they support would be similarly dishonest; organizations like ICE, Blackwater and Irgun cannot be fairly conflated with their respective populations regardless of how the majority feels.
You should read about the Oslo accords and the failed talks at Camp David. This is to say that Israel has been trying for a long time to make peace with the Palestinians. Them not wanting has led most to give up and stop fighting the extremists.
We both know the majority of Israel supports the settlements and the status quo in Gaza, but maybe not the last few years. We both know they went out to protest against the punishment of your rapists.
Oslo and David talks included poison pills so that Palestinians would never agree to it. While I believe that Hamas should not exist I do believe the powers in Israel wants them to.
Essentially everyone but Israel supports the 1967 borders today, but Hamas does not recognize Israel, just like Israel didn't recognize Palestine in the Oslo accords, that would also allow settlements in the west bank to continue.
I don’t know what Ben Gurion’s private correspondence was, but it sure binds me, a millennial!
Your aggressive rhetoric doesn’t impress anyone, instead it signals your emotional gut response, probably an ill informed one.
You already hate me, a stranger, and nothing I will say will make you reconsider your position. That is because you hold it because you want to, and not because of real investigation.
Not sure if it's feigned victimhood or if you feel guilty for what your country is doing. Either way you seem to take what your country does personally.
Arab Israelis are a fact, despite what you think he wrote in his diary, and despite him having all the power to execute on whatever he wanted.
What matters is that pro-Palestinians aren't calling for the extermination of Israel, while Zionists are clearly calling for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Wanting the war to end does not automatically make you a Hamas terrorist, obviously.
> if you poll Israelis about their views of Palestinians, you'll find that the majority want to exterminate them all
Can you point me to that poll, or is that just your opinion?
> Zionists are clearly calling for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza
First of all, you clearly don’t know what Zionism is. Hell, it means different things for different people. Let me help you out: for most Israelis, Zionism is about independence and sovereignty for the jewish people. While there are Israelies who want the Palestinians out, only the crazies are actually considering it as a plausible reality. These crazies gain more political power the more the general population loses its faith the Palestinians are wanting peace, as opposed to fighting to the last man standing. You should read about the Oslo accords and the later failed talks at Camp David.
Lastly, wanting to vote for Hamas is absolutely not about wanting the war to end, as Hamas is a perpetrator of it. How did you make this astonishing logical leap?
> Can you point me to that poll, or is that just your opinion?
Not the parent, and not claiming anything about the truth or falsehood of this, but your comment got me to Google it, and this is what I found:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support...
https://www.trtworld.com/article/8802bc2d5043
Original source appears to be here: https://www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/2025-05-22/ty-article-mag...
Is this what you were asking for? What do you think of it?
I tried to find the original publication, but all I found was press coverage. Specifically I’m interested in the demographics - who was asked these questions, aside from the religious attributes that they name.
I am aware of this rhetoric you mention, I hate it myself, but I believe that it’s populist bullshit, just like most things this government is saying, including stuff that doesn’t get worldwide coverage, and are intended to cause outrage and get media coverage. This pattern (sadly) repeats in most western nations nowadays.
If there was ever an actual intent to get rid of the Palestinians, you would get an order of magnitude more dead. The means exist, not the intent.
I never made the statements you're suggesting I did to begin with.
> Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population.
Leaving aside whatever "still broad, to an extent" means: I never claimed otherwise, regardless. Certainly they have their share of supporters.
What I'm pointing out is that the parent's "friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine" are not (probably not? or hopefully not, at least in their view?) pro-Hamas or pro-genocide. Heck, I imagine they're probably not local Palestinians or in the surveyed population here to begin with. And the rest of the people around the world supporting Palestinians clearly aren't, either.
> I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing
That was literally my point.
Can you think of any motivating reasons for the crowd to focus on Israel specifically? Last I checked, the American government isn't sending billions of dollars of weaponry and political cover to the Iranian government, so that is one massive reason why protesting Israel makes more sense.
>have not made a peep about the thousands of Iranians recently murdered by their regime
I don't protest to signal my moral outrage, I do it to effect change in my elected leaders. It's not my responsibility to devote an equal amount of attention to every injustice — ignoring the cause and effects in that injustice with direct connection to politicians beholden to me — because people like you will find it "disturbing".
> I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas...
See how quickly things have turned from the first post manufactured to seem reasonable? No more "Curious" and "just asking questions".
How many pro-Hamas friends can a person have?! I don't know a single pro-Hamas person myself.
I believe you are being taken for a ride friend.
You just make these claims to avoid any accountability of your actions. That tracks because the HAMAS narratives completely do the same, so its easier for you to accept.
PS Most of the videos that swayed you were AI generated.
This is an absolutely insane and downright insulting claim to make about anyone. You should feel ashamed of saying something as utterly indefensible as this.
Bot, agitator, troll, or etc Other account the same.
Speaking of projection, damn...
How'd that work out for you?
You really think if the US wasn't supporting Israel, no one would have cared about Gaza?
I don't want that. I want them to stop paying Israelis with our money to kill Palestinians. If they want to do atrocities, they can do it on their own dime.
Do you care about those people or not?
Sorry, unless I’m missing something, what you said just sounds like a cop out.
When talking about Israel, it's always couched in terms of universal human rights. When confronted with their lack of advocacy for the human rights of practically anyone else, their cognitive fallback is that they only care for what they feel the U.S. government is responsible for, and that it's not really about universal human rights, and never was. Then, when no one is paying attention anymore, they swing back to being avowed universal human rights activists who just happen to be condemning Israel.
You've let your true colors show through...
People were angry at the world allowing a genocide to occur and at their own countries actively supporting that genocide.
It was also a genocide going on for several years allowing momentum to build and anger to grow. The most recent Iranian uprising lasted a few weeks.
I would be more upset that Trump told the poor Iranians to protest and that he would support them if violence was used against them - and he let them die by the thousand. He told them "help is on the way". It wasn't.
"Pro hamas activist" has become the calling card of deeply committed western and israeli islamophobes.
Much like their close cousins, the holocaust denying anti semite, they almost universally refuse to recognize the UN recognized genocide in gaza.
>That crowd only seems to care if they can actively oppose Israel or the current administration
Im sure if the current administration backed a genocide in another country they would passionately oppose that too. Unlike dedicated islamophobes, anti racists are consistent.