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What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?

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It is entirely okay to weigh the Department of War thing against other criteria when choosing a service.

Agreed, but the comment should mention it. Nobody is talking about value for money right now.

I didn't mean to advocate for Anthropic, apologies.

Whatever Anthropic might or might not do with the department of war interests me in proportion to how much I can influence this. Rounded, speaking as an European citizen, that appears to be exactly 0 to me.

If anyone thinks Anthropic or OpenAI are the "good guys," they've already lost the plot. If you look at additional reporting on the topic, not just the Anthropic PR spin, the disagreements were much more nuanced than it was portrayed by Anthropic. They aren't exactly a reliable narrator on the topic either. In fact it actually just seems like Amodei fumbled the deal and crashed out a bit. He's already walked back his internal memo, and is reportedly still seeking a deal with the Pentagon. I don't trust either CEO, I use their products, but if you're even leaning 51-49 on who is "less evil," I think you're giving too much slack.

Then the people mad about "mass surveillance" recommend Gemini or whatever.

They're just keeping up with the outrage news cycles.

ever tried living while simultaneously deciding to only patron groups that strictly morally and ethically align to your own personal beliefs?

I would love to, but a practical look at that concept seems practically impossible.

My .02c : Claude was already involved in underhanded shit I don't want a part of[0] and that generated little ethical response from Anthropic , i've had better luck as a 200/mo tier customer with ChatGPT, and I don't really think that Dario claiming that their newest LLM is conscious[1] on a market schedule is all that ethical, either.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven [1]: https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/claude/articles/anthropic-ceo-admi...

Why paint the choice as black and white? Most people are doing the best they can morally even if they don't get it 100% right. Even living 60% in accordance with your values is better than 50%. Likewise, bucketing organizations as good or bad misses the same nuance. Choosing something that is slightly better is has positive consequences despite it not being 100% good.

not the poster, but I guess thats kinda american thinking that actually believes voting with your wallet will make any difference in this late stage crony capitalism in a post-facts world.

realistically: AI WILL get used in military and for killing autonomously, like it or not, believe it or not. I am also against that in principle but I do accept the fact my opinion just doesn't matter and practice radial acceptance or reality as-is. twitter/X is also alive and kicking, despite musk and anti-musk-hate. xAI/Grok is genuinely really good too compared to OAI/Claude, a bit different but very good. At this point all the "outcries" feel like noise I just skip on principle. But it could turn up the fire under the OAI team to go aggressive feature/pricing wise in order to retain/increase their userbase again, which is ... good, after all.

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