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Comment by dns_snek | Hacker News Reader

When you care so little about consumer rights that you see advocacy as just "drama" then what are you if not a mindless consumer, in the most literal sense?

This story is at the heart of everything that's wrong with consumer rights these days - digital locks, coercive upgrades, removing features after the sale, AGPL violations, and legal bullying of independent developers, enthusiasts, and hackers.

The original title was needlessly inflammatory, Louis put up $10,000 to cover this person's legal fees should they fight Bambu's bullshit threats. It's in all of our interests to fight this, as consumers and as members of HACKER news.

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They never said they don't care about consumer right, but that your over the top comments and ad hominem attacks smell more of drama than of consumer rights. I hope I never produce the words "return to mindless consuming" just because someone dared to criticize my idol. Ditto for "when you care so little about consumer rights". Pretentiousness is not a virtue.

dns_snek never said any specific person as a mindless consumer. They argued that if you see nothing but drama then that implies you are a mindless consumer.

The argument is that a mindful consumer would see that Louis Rossman is, in his way, arguing for consumer rights.

I don't think that counts as ad hominem.

> They never said they don't care about consumer right

They didn't need to. Describing it as "just" drama means that you find the subject matter performative and unwarranted, that's what makes something "just drama".

> I hope I never produce the words "return to mindless consuming" just because someone dared to criticize my idol

I invoked "mindless consumption" because of how ridiculously dismissive they were acting towards the discussion about consumer rights, i.e. mindful consumption.

Criticize him all you want, but don't get upset when someone calls you out for criticizing a baseless straw man.

It would be difficult to judge me as being upset because of your criticism since I've never responded to your criticism before.

And for not needing to say it: actually yes it is needed. Nobody said consumer rights are performative, it was said that Rossmann is performative and trying to generate drama and clicks. Even if not true, it's a valid opinion that doesn't make anyone a mindless consumer, quite the opposite. But regardless, those are not the same things, unless you see Rossmann (and possibly yourself) as the gatekeeper of this issue.

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