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Why am I being interpreted as advocating for abandoning the trans? I don't want to do that and I don't need to be convinced by my empathy for gays or blacks- I care about trans people themselves! I'm saying if an issue doesn't matter- according to the trans people in this thread- and it's a losing issue, why are we insistent on fighting it anyway? Who benefits from this?

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It'd probably be best to give an example of an issue you're talking about. I thought you were saying to concede trans topics altogether.

Hmm, yes, I see that and that the person I was responding to is getting read the same way, but not clear why that's the case. We're both in this conversation under [1]. The sports issue is the one that's 90/10 [2], while the bathroom one is maybe in the neighborhood of 60/40 [3]- I do think there is a chance of winning ground on the latter and should have been more specific. But nobody is saying there's 90/10 in favor of transphobia- a substantial majority views trans people favorably[3].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49712333

[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/08/11/most-amer...

[3] https://prri.org/press-release/new-survey-finds-strong-major...

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