Hacker News Reader

Comment by Cider9986 | Hacker News Reader

Any update on this? Assuming you're involved. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48070516

It is kinda nice to be copying based because it's highly reliable (against paywalls, blocking, IP bans, .onion services and other domain name thingies). It would be cool if there was some sort of reputation system. Obviously on top of the promise above.

Archive.today is great, except for the Google captcha. It's no small feat to run an archiving service especially against copyright law–the archive.today guy seems a bit crazy–I still have mad respect for him.

Something that the people who keep submitting these links get wrong, is on Hacker News you're supposed to submit the original link and then the archive / bypass in the comments. Hacker News is not against against Nongraph or something, most archive.today mirrors are also banned for post submissions.

View on HN

Version 0.5.0 includes a public API (https://nonograph.com/api) which is the basis for programmatic posting. Archiving was promised and is still a major blocker for the 1.0.0 release.

The development has slowed down after we lost $35,000 USD worth of Monero to a divide by zero bug in Cake Wallet. The service is very cheap to host, so it will not affect the various reverse proxies (.ph, .com, .net) and there will be no API rate limits or captchas.

Would you prefer full webpage archiving with images, CSS layout, and more of the traditional archiver style, OR would you prefer a lightweight page with just formatted text and images, such as the ones you see on Nonograph today, with federated attestation that pages haven't been tampered with?

The plan is to include archiving with paywall bypassing in the codebase, and enable it by default on the Docker images. This way when others host public copies of Nonograph, by default they allow others to bypass paywalls with it as well.

>Would you prefer full webpage archiving with images, CSS layout, and more of the traditional archiver style, OR would you prefer a lightweight page with just formatted text and images, such as the ones you see on Nonograph today, with federated attestation that pages haven't been tampered with?

I think I would prefer the full archival style. I think that has more utility overall but the stripped down one has pros as well. megalodon.jp demonstrates it doesn't have to be extremely slow to get a full archive but it doesn't have the effectiveness like archive.today.

On the one hand everyone likes a fast stripped down version and it would be a new format, but a significant part of an archive is more than just the exact content. The surrounding webpage communicates as well.

I don't have a strong opinion and I'm looking forward to seeing the product.

The current corpus of plaintext markup is over 150 GB with average HTML page load time of 81ms. Hosting images is much doable but would explode the storage and moderation requirements for self-hosters so it needs consideration.

There's a 3rd-party Telegram bot that bypass paywalls and returns a Nonograph URL with article contents. It works reasonably well and is quite fast, but it uses workarounds like scraping the homepage thousands of times per day to generate new anti-csrf tokens.

Something like it but first-party and built into the server to avoid trust in Telegram seems like a good start. After that comes archiving the full page, CSS, JS, and all.

It is depressing to see Nonograph long-term project get less interest than skills.md vapor-ware but such is life. <3 from Jiangmen China & Canada

Reply on news.ycombinator.com