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I think it's a pretty clear line. Self hosted means you can run it locally in your home, using a saas platform or vps is just a convenience, not a requirement.

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What about FOSS SaaS alternatives that are meant for team collab? Like Plane (Jira replacement). Does that have to be ran locally at home for it to be considered "self hosted"?

Self hosted means you host it yourself. I.e. you run the software. Running on your own home machine is definitely self-hosted. Hosting it on a VPS in some datacenter still is. Running it in a cloud platform somewhere is stretching it but I'd say that sill is. SaaS definitely is not self hosting even if the software is open source. The important part is that you're the one in control of the software.

If you run Plane on your hardware, then it is self-hosted.

I think a VPS is acceptable because otherwise you just can't let the broader internet talk to you, then. The internet's structured that way.

I hope AI will push infra, including good-enough AI itself, dirt cheap, so that everyone has "good enough" software for themselves. Tailscale is a game changer in this regard but only the first step.

I don't have a VPS, I have a mini server in my house. I run bunch of publicly available services on it.

I might be stupid but I thought normal consumer internet didn't expose stable IP addresses?

never mind, ddns. huh.

Or cloudflare tunnels are even more effective for this

A surprisingly large number do, at least in america. They're not guaranteed to be stable, i.e. you don't "own" the IP but in practice I've found that buying a relatively high tier internet plan tends to come with IPs that change less than once a year.

This is probably considerably less true in countries with a smaller ip to population ratio e.g. india.

you have to read between the lines.

the complaint is the communication, not the literal words. because the title conflicts with itself, it causes confusion.

for example, saying, "come join us. I'm hosting a dinner party. It's at this restaurant," would be similar.

It's an interesting example because I think it proves the opposite point. There are places, large dense cities, where most people live in tiny apartments, and if you're having a dinner party it's not going to be inside a house.

It's perfectly reasonable and understandable to say you're hosting the party even if you don't own the physical location (see also: weddings)

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