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While there is a lot of slop, it is possible to create art with AI that does not look like slop and is as creative as a human creation. That's really the main cool thing about AI is you can create things you otherwise couldn't, and the better you are the higher the ceiling for the ai art is. It is a bit of a struggle though, as in prompting and finding the right references is difficult to get good results

Edit: here are some examples for those wondering what I mean: https://imgur.com/a/mK3Iuzq

You can sort of tell they are AI because of the composition stuff but I think they are aight.

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I don't see how AI was necessary to create these.

It's not needed for a professional designer / photographer etc but now a person who does not have those resources can create them

Why would you want to? These are advertising for a luxury goods company. You have to include the actual goods in the picture, not a hallucination, and you can afford to do it properly.

The killian and polo images are strange. There is a mirror over an sofa in a poor lit room. I said strange, not impossible.

And any computer program can be written in assembly, so why have other programming languages?

This is comparing apples to oranges.

My point is that "X isn't necessary to create Y" is not a useful critique of X or Y, or of the process of creating Y using X

The issue isn’t the quality or the visual result. It’s not just slop because it looks bad.

Art is as much about the journey as it is about the destination. It’s the friction of someone going through each detail, making a choice. It’s the artist taking time to figure out how they want to convey what they’re feeling and thinking.

The reduction of this friction culminates in the reduction of the piece’s essence.

Yeah I understand your point because I've made music and design for 25 years the old "manual way", and there is definitely less friction with AI than there is the manual way.

But what interests me about AI is that it is possible to do things that you couldn't do before particularly in processing images. For these images I took photos of the bottles myself and used other images and the AI can place the camera anywhere in a scene and place objects anywhere in the scene, and things like that. You can create almost any image you can imagine with the right sources and the right prompt, and even here there is some friction because many images do end up looking like slop and you have to prompt it right to get something non-slop like out of it (though not always).

This ability to manipulate and process information is what makes AI interesting to me, although I'm not sure I adequately explained it. It feels like a new tool like Photoshop except across a different dimension. I feel like we've barely scratched the surface of what's possible to create.

I agree with your thesis, but your link is to marketing images not art.

That's fair but there is a lot of creativity in prompting and finding the right image because on the way to those images there is a lot of experimentation and I came up with the ideas for the images not the AI.

Creativity != art.

I’m going to be honest. Those look like shit.

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