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> We have actual evidence of DeepSeek using stolen credit cards

Do we? Anthropic made allegations, but have they substantiated them?

What level of evidence would convince you? Raw packet dumps?

DeepSeek could sue for defamation if they are lying. There's a reason they aren't.

Well, any evidence would be better than nothing. All I saw was a blog post with some conclusory statements, but I didn't dig into this. (It wasn't a rhetorical question.)

Anthropic could probably use the same institution to call for justice, no?

No, distillation isn't a crime so Anthropic can't sue for it.

Credit card fraud and the illegal data routing is a crime, but that's something the affected customers would need to sue for.

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