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Users aren't supposed to be considered an attack vector. I don't care what the advertisers think.

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The infected devices on the LAN are an attack vector, though.

If I want my IOT garbage to be infected that's between me and my local botherder.

The vendor loses the right to decide how my things are used the minute they take my money.

Not in the EU. If devices you made get hacked in the EU and you have a business presence there, you're liable for the resulting damages under the Cyber Resiliency Act. If you don't notify the authorities promptly upon discovery, you might also be criminally liable.

What if your company doesn't exist anymore, and you have checks billions of devices out there that won't be getting firmware updates?

Not sure. You're probably out of luck in that case if someone can't prove that your out of business was a manipulative attempt to avoid liability.

Users are attack vectors in one of the more commonly successful attacks: social engineering.

Like: To verify you are human, clik on the two ducks and install this new certificate.

Bonus points if it's during a fake job interview.

I did a job interview in a VM once and my legitimate accounts on some platforms got banned for using them in a VM. So you can't even protect yourself.

> my legitimate accounts on some platforms got banned for using them in a VM

Which legitimate accounts get banned for use in a VM?

That seems like an incredibly important thing I should know as I use legitimate accounts in VMs.

Bullshit. How would a website even detect a VM?

They can ask your web browser what GPU you have.

If it says QEMU, the jig is up.

See here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GPUAdapterI...

Live demo here:

https://www.checkadevice.com/tests/gpu/ (random web site that came up in a quick search)

You have to make sure your VM + GPU hide or falsify all identity information. They just have to find one API or signal that you missed that reveals it.

RCE then run an exploit to break out VM. If it's success, then you are on VM.

Absolutely. "To access our secure site, install this certificate as follows..."

Yes, however, this causes people who know what they do suffer because of people who don't. My question is whether this affects innovation, because the same thing at different places definitely does, and we actively fight against this exactly to help innovation.

Right. Let's no longer sell computers then.

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