As for people supporting "Palestine Action", activists always have their most sympathetic looking members e.g. elderly women to have arrested as it makes the authorities look worse.
Palestine Action have done at least two violent crimes and several hundred other offences including burglary, vandalism.
Just because people have the politics you like doesn't mean they are all sunshine and rainbows.
The Reform/Restore parties you dislike are pursuing change legally and peacefully through the ballot box.
The normalisation of fascism, the criminalisation of resistance or even of protests, all the way to the boot stomping on your face, all those things appear so fast, too fast to react. So I can see why one would prefer to take the rights of far-right politicians away. If Corbyn came to power and witchhunted Reform, I would think much less of Corbyn but I'd still understand why others would cheer on that.
And when it comes to Palestine Action, they did the kind of violent crimes that I hope will be taught to future generations, same as we taught about resistance in WWII. I and everyone else support Palestine Action not because of the old women, but because they did burglary and vandalism against a terrorist state carrying out genocide. Sunshine and rainbows.
I am in the UK, and Reform, which isn't far right (they are like UKIP dissaffected conservatives and reactionaries), is not going to come into power. In all likelihood they are going to split the Conservative vote.
> The normalisation of fascism, the criminalisation of resistance or even of protests, all the way to the boot stomping on your face, all those things appear so fast, too fast to react. So I can see why one would prefer to take the rights of far-right politicians away. If Corbyn came to power and witchhunted Reform, I would think much less of Corbyn but I'd still understand why others would cheer on that.
I actually like Corbyn (for all his faults), and I think he is fundamentally a good man and wouldn't stoop as low as persecuting his political opponents.
As for witch hunts, historically they've turned out to be a very bad idea. I shouldn't need to comment any further.
> And when it comes to Palestine Action, they did the kind of violent crimes that I hope will be taught to future generations, same as we taught about resistance in WWII. I and everyone else support Palestine Action not because of the old women, but because they did burglary and vandalism against a terrorist state carrying out genocide. Sunshine and rainbows.
"Violent crimes are okay when people I politically agree with do it."
It doesn't matter to me if a violent gang of thugs is left wing or right; they are violent thugs. I think you need to take a break from online politics because it has you justifying the sort of behaviour that you claim to oppose (fascism).
Weird misreading of my comment. I'm not saying he would, I'm saying even if someone as fundamentally as him did, I would think less of them, but that I still would understand it.
> Violent crimes are okay when people I politically agree with do it.
Violent resistance to genocide is something I fully support, with absolutely zero qualms about what unfortunate drone, military company, or government official gets hurt in the process. I'd expect everyone would support that, no?
> justifying the sort of behaviour that you claim to oppose (fascism).
Mate... are you serious?
An advice for you: stop supporting Russia and Israel, you could hardly have chosen a worse moral alignment.
No, I don't agree. I don't want a bunch of violent thugs roaming around the UK who think they are morally righteous committing crimes. This will have perverse side effects that you and I cannot predict.
The fact that you haven't considered this fact or don't care shows how naive you are.
> Mate... are you serious?
Yes. What you are advocating for is similar to fascism.
> An advice for you: stop supporting Russia and Israel, you could hardly have chosen a worse moral alignment.
This is the problem with almost every discussion on the net with people like you. Where did I say I support either Russia or Israel? Nowhere.
I don't care about Russia and Israel. This is full of us-vs-them politics-brained bullshit that I often encounter. I will spell it out to you, I don't care about foreign wars that I have no control over. I suggest you start reading some actual literature.
> I don't care about foreign wars that I have no control over
Talking about a war of invasion by a fascist country on the border of your continent and a genocide. I'm wasting my time.
I've quoted what you said and responded to them point by point. You said you understand the need to persecute political opponents (those being Reform, which is a centre-right party) and support thugs that break the law in the UK (where I live).
That is what you said. I have my issues with how the British State is run. I, however, understand that I have literally no ability to change any of this.
> Talking about a war of invasion by a fascist country on the border of your continent and a genocide.
"Everything I don't like is fascism."
The genocide is in the Middle East. I have zero ability to affect events there. Israel isn't fascist either because Zionism is not fascism.
As for the Russo-Ukraine war, not every political ideology that isn't democratic western values is fascist. Ukraine/Russia is a proxy war between the Western Allies and countries outside of that alliance.
> I'm wasting my time.
You are repeating poor arguments that equate to "bash the fash", and having a poor understanding of geopolitics isn't my failing and isn't going to convince anyone that isn't an idiot or mind-raped by propaganda.
Haven't we had this same discussion before?
The reality is that something between 20-40% voted for them. While there are problematic elements in the AFD, and they're lying populists, they're ultimately just morally bankrupt profiteers. Basically the same as linke and greens, just targeting different demographics. You're probably just the target demographic of those parties, hence your frankly insane view that banning the most popular single party would be a good idea. It would not. It would massively exaggerate the issue and further alienate even bigger chunks of the population.
The issues the AFD are raising need to be resolved. That's the only way to calm things down, but the established parties seem to inept to deliver on that, hence the increasingly problematic situation.
57% of Germans approve looking into a ban. That's the majority, simple as that. https://volksverpetzer.de/aktuelles/umfrage-mehrheit-afd-ver...
That's precisely the reason why it's so hard to interface with people like you seem to be. You've completely lost touch with reality.
The next time you're interacting with someone on the lower income percentage ask them if they think it should be banned.
You probably know the answer, just aren't willing to admit to it.
The AFD Party members don't even believe the BS they're talking about themselves. They just say whatever they think their voters want to hear. Just look at what weidel etc is doing vs what she's preaching.
So if you spend any amount of time thinking about that fact you should be able to realize that what the AFD is running on is something a big chunk of the population desires. And alienating those by removing whom theyre voting for will end in a complete disaster.
Claiming the opposite is just putting your head into the sand because you cannot face reality, like so many on the left continue to do...