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What do you mean by this? This article seems to be mostly about govt surveillance and not gun rights.

A stated core purpose of the second amendment is for ordinary people to be able to keep a government in check by force or threat of force.

Some people view the actions of ICE, like in this article, to be crossing a line that would normally provoke a response from second amendment types.

The people who would normally argue "but muh 2A!" are either applying to be on ICE, are on ICE, or just support what they're doing, completely oblivious to the obvious.

Certainly some

Those people are the people who want gun control and therefore don’t have any guns.

The #1 reason sighted by 2nd amendment loyalists for needing such liberal gun rights is to protect us all from government overreach. I assume that's what he means.

Common misunderstanding. The reason is to protect themselves from government overreach (and other threats), not you or anyone else. You were supposed to get your own gun to protect yourself, that's why the right needs to extend to everyone.

(disclaimer: this is not my opinion I'm just explaining their logic)

Agreed. I'm pro-second amendment, what is the there to comment on here about guns? seriously asking.

A major portion of vocal 2A advocates cite the need to own guns in order to protect against government overreach. The argument being made is that the government is now overreaching but the 2A advocates aren't actually using their guns to protect against it.

I mean, a major portion of vocal 2A advocates voted for the government overreach, or else don't actually care either way as long as the government doesn't touch their guns.

But they'll still lecture you should you ever dare question the utility and necessity of it. They'll still claim their guns are the only thing holding America back from tyranny even as ICE and the police pick them off like ducks.

Hmm what was the reason for the second amendment?

It wasn’t self defense, it wasn’t for recreational fun, it is to provide a physical check on government overreach. Therefore it’s sensible to discuss it during times of government overreach.

But I don't bring up the second amendment when complaining about income taxes either. Again, what part of what ICE is doing infringes on the second ammendment?

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