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I have used Surface laptops for years and touch is a definite nice-to-have. I especially like having it when diagramming and designing. Paired with the Surface Pen is can really unlock a lot of digital whiteboarding experiences.

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Pen support sounds 10x more useful than touch, particularly when they already have a pen for the iPad.

But based on the Ad, they did not show own usage and it doesn't look like the hinge is 180. If that's correct, Apple went absolutely against its own beliefs for UX/UI.

100%, all these product changes are so crazymaking.

Writing on a laptop screen with a pen is kind of a crappy experience. The screen position is not rigid enough for that to be comfortable. It “bounces” as you write.

Windows benefits from a touchscreen more often on something like a diagram where you'll be panning around up/down/left/right, zooming, etc because the trackpad situation isn't very good.

I've never felt the need for a touchscreen when e.g. using Miro because I can scroll and all directions and zoom intuitively on the Mac's trackpad.

Eh. I don't think the Macbook's trackpad is that good. It's better sure, but it's still not as intuitive panning or rotating over the image directly on a touch screen. And it's still useless for drawing.

Maybe now that the trackpad doesn't have to mimic a touchscreen they can give us proper buttons again.

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