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Yep and it's the same for Meta's "open" models which you omitted from the list.

Is there actually a competitive proper actually open model?

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I believe Meta's models were never truly frontier in the way Qwen, Kimi, etc., compare to Claude or ChatGPT.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure if it is competitive but DeepSeek's models are under the mit license, including their most recent one.

Are they? https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3/blob/main/LICENSE...

This is ancient (2 years ago), all their recent stuff (e.g. [0][1]) are MIT licensed. The only exception i've found from a quick browse of their stuff is [2], which is Apache 2 licensed. Even the update to V3 (which you linked at), V3.2, was MIT licensed.

[0] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017

[1] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro-0813

[2] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2

Interesting, I heard PRC doesn't allow this anymore but apparently the law is only partially in effect so maybe they get away with it (https://sanctionsnews.bakermckenzie.com/china-proposes-expan...)

Unfortunately all the license links there give 404 errors, but if you look in the file tree the licenses are there as described.

Inkling, Nemotron Super, Beam Reflection (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

> (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

Latest versions of Kimi, Qwen, GLM aren't open, you need to pay them for commercial stuff and comply with PRC laws

Oh, I'd missed this, that's a shame! But yeah, Inkling + Reflection are properly open and quite good.

Qwen smaller sizes are right?

DeepSeek 4.1 flash

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