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> This could have been avoided if the government was just more honest about the negative affects of the Covid vaccine.

Someone's being dishonest here; vitamin K conspiracy theories long predate COVID.

2014: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15749

2015: https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/newsroom/news-releases/2...

> There were calls to force people to get vaccinated against their will.

We've done this for decades (https://www.kff.org/other-health/state-and-local-policies-on...) in all fifty states. If you went to public school, you were forced to get various vaccines. Many states even require it for private/home schooling.

> The 'my body my choice' crowd quickly changed their tune.

That's what happens when your choice impacts others.

You'd be pro-choice, too, if pregnancy was airborne.

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>We've done this for decades..

"We" do it because governments want to reduce the cost managing an outbreak. Not because it is good for everyone who takes it in some absolute sense. I mean, such measures are enforced without taking effort to assess individual RoI, because that would be more costly than managing the outbreak.

Governments and establishments ("We") don't give a shit about your health beyond your ability to vote and pay taxes.

> Not because it is good for everyone who takes it in some absolute sense.

Yes, that tends to be the case for policy that impacts several hundred million people. We know what a world without vaccination looks like; it wasn't that long ago.

> Governments and establishments ("We") don't give a shit about your health beyond your ability to vote and pay taxes.

Antivax influencers, though, are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

> Antivax influencers, though, are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Made no such claim. Why are you responding to something I didn't mention?

> Made no such claim.

Ironically, I did not claim you did.

Past elementary school, we do start learning that rhetoric isn’t always accompanied by a “the author means x when they say y” explanatory box.

Why bring that (anti-blah blah blah) up at all. What is your point? I don't get it..

Normalization of abortions, there being overall more abortions, and related issues do affect society as a whole.

Correct.

Teen pregnancy drops dramatically: https://www.npr.org/2026/04/09/nx-s1-5777587/teen-birth-rate...

Women die in childbirth less: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2026/study-higher-maternal-deat...

More babies die, lower fertility, aging population, decline.

So male sperm counts in anti-abortion places like Africa are decreasing… as a parasympathetic reaction to American reproductive rights?

I’d love to hear your theory on the casual link here.

Lower fertility as in lower number of babies born per person, not sperm count lol. Learn better reading comprehension or something.

> Lower fertility as in lower number of babies born per person…

The same issue there; we see a similar drop in birth rate in countries where abortion is neither legal nor "normalized". So again, what's the causal theory here? How have you ruled out changes in sexual education and access to contraceptives from the equation?

I think you’ve now resorted to making stuff up…

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/falling-fertility-rates/

> Demographers cite access to education as the strongest predictor of fertility rates. Oxford researcher Max Roser, for example, has documented a 40-80 percent reduction in fertility rates associated with 0 to 6 years of primary schooling. The corollary proves the point: Birth rates are dramatically higher among women with less education. In Chad, for example, women attend school for an average of just three years, and only 14 percent complete middle school.

> Similarly, critics cite abortion as a factor in declining fertility rates. But the demographic literature is decidedly mixed about any such association. To the extent that studies have documented a correlation between higher rates of abortion and lower fertility rates, the effect appears to be insubstantial.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/05/19/5-facts-a...

> Still, Africa is seeing a decline in fertility. The UN projects that its fertility rate will decline from 3.9 to 2.8 by 2050, dropping to 2.0 births per women by the end of the century. The region’s fertility has already fallen substantially from its peak of 6.7 births per woman in 1972.

African abortion laws are… not very permissive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Africa

> As of 2019, 45% of women of reproductive age in Sub-Saharan Africa live in countries with highly restrictive laws, 47% are under moderately restrictive laws, and 8% in countries where abortion is broadly legal.

Honestly this is very weak if your initial argument was abortion normalization doesn’t affect fertility rates. Education correlating with lower fertility is well known. You could only find results were “mixed” wrt abortion. I guess good luck with your argument…

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