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The problem is that many many "developers" think that jQuery is a language. Just browse stack overflow and you'll see. This "developers" couldn't get a element from the DOM with JavaScript if you threw document.getElementById in their face.

So that's the point that OP is making. First learn JavaScript, then move to abstractions such as jQuery. That way you won't ask silly questions such as "how to write a if statement in jQuery".

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This. Everything this. Find the pain points with JavaScript, then make your life easier with jQuery.

I'd say: start with learning jQuery and check out the equivalent Javascript code for reference and amusement.

Just about everything is a pain point when using JavaScript or when dealing with the DOM. So it's understandable, although maybe not a good idea, why so many people don't separate JavaScript and libraries like jQuery, MooToo, or YUI.

Such a combination is essentially needed merely to bring JavaScript up to a minimal level of usability. We generally don't find this to be the case with other, more sensible languages, which is why it seems so odd. C, C++, Java, C# and Python implementations come with a sensible language and a rich standard library. Developers using them don't need to bring their own standard library just to get a basic level of functionality.

> C++ [...] implementations come with a sensible language and a rich standard library.

You shouldn't make your trolling so obvious, man.

After reading parent, I've decided to use Java for all DOM manipulation.

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