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>Other frameworks are not trying to solve data persistence and loading beyond delegating to HTTP

I don't think that's true, given how Backbone and Angular are designed.

I'm not an expert in JS frameworks, but my understanding is that backbone converts 'save this model' to '{PUT,PATCH} /models/:id', and then makes the request.

Isn't that just delegating to HTTP?

I'm not sure how Ember Data is different beyond providing a smarter interface to collections and models than BackBone.

Hence 'not ready yet.'

Have you actually read http://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng.$http or https://github.com/documentcloud/backbone/blob/master/backbo... ?

Yes, I think we just disagree on how different and special Ember Data is.

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