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>This is censorship! I have the right to say whatever I want!

You do -- in your space. If you'd like to hang out in our spaces (as clarified above), we have some simple guidelines to follow. If you want to, for example, form a group where Django is discussed using language inappropriate for general channels then nobody's stopping you. We respect your right to establish whatever codes of conduct you want in the spaces that belong to you. Please honor this Code of Conduct in our spaces.

Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others. "My free speeches!" and "How dare you censor me?" and "But what about my get-back-in-the-kitchen and make-me-a-sandwich jokes?! You've killed comedy!"

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Although I agree wholeheartedly with the code of conduct, it's disrespectful to those who disagree to lump them together as you have done.

There will always be opposing viewpoints, even on things that we'd consider nearly cut-and-dry like not talking about your penis at a conference. Respect them and win with argument and logic, not with propaganda and bad posters mocking them as a disingenuous group. (The censorship complaint, though flawed, is a little more complex than you imply.)

I'm sorry you feel that way; that wasn't our intent. If you've got ideas about how we might improve it, please let us know: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/#feedback.

I know little about Django.

Have you really had a problem with the behavior of your participants that requires this formal code of conduct as a solution?

Your code of conduct on its face seems innocuous, but there seems to be an elephant that you are trying not to discuss.

As illustrated by great-grandparent, there seem to be many eager to take your code of conduct and wielding it like a shield use it to bludgeon others with behavior contrary to your intentions.

If I had a suggestion, it would be to take from the Wikipedia and assume good faith which is a principle that your Speak Up! source also dances around, in that it seems a person can "assume bad faith" and still comply with each principle in your code of conduct.

Don't be a dick. Do unto others.... Assume good faith.

Each of these seem to concisely cover the issues you have without leading to their abuse, or tyranny of the (majority, minority).

No, no, Jacob, not you -- you guys do great work! Relax! I was replying to parfe's characterization of those who do disagree.

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It is not my job to sell the other side. It is my job to be respectful of the fact that the other side exists, and to be reasonable to it, not hostile and mocking.

Imagine if you had a minor quibble with the Code of Conduct. You're now going to reconsider even bringing it up here, because someone's already mocked your potential argument disingenuously, and undermined any conversation that might be had.

It lowers the tone of discourse, and I see it too often. Rings of "if you disagree with me, you're a Communist".

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I think it's necessary to respect all points of view and defeat them with traditional means. By all means, consider it absurd. Don't put mocking words in their mouths as parfe has done, nor categorize them unfairly; let them speak for themselves, and defeat the argument when it's presented.

That's how discourse works. I am rapidly tiring of efforts to the contrary, especially among people here and in the industry.

As you clearly joined HN during the Pycon incident to minimize the existence of sexism in tech, you'll have to excuse me if I ignore your advice.

PyCon incident? You mean the incident where they gave away RaspberryPis to everyone, including females? Or the one where they raised tens of thousands of dollars for PyLadies? Or maybe something a little more indirect, like perhaps all the connections female coders made with other coders of all kinds of race, gender, or sexual orientation?

As you clearly joined this discussion to smite other users, you'll have to excuse me if I think you are a cave dwelling troll.

Remember when I said I agree with the code of conduct? Thanks for lowering the bar of discourse even further by attacking the messenger.

And it's hilarious that you think I'm minimizing sexism in tech. Hilarious.

Stop being a bully. Okay?

I regretfully inform you that due to multiple violations of the COC section "be careful in the words that you choose" your accounts on IRC, mailing lists, issue tracker and any other space related to Django have been terminated. Please don't try to create new accounts. Thank you for understanding and have a nice day!

>Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others. "My free speeches!" and "How dare you censor me?"

You do realize those are sexist generalizations?

"Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others."

This does a lot to help the cause and sets a fine example though doesn't it? The progress being made is making me dizzy.

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