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So if I take you into a small room and return with your wallet, its a defense that you, ultimately broken and bleeding, handed it to me to make the pain stop?

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But the analogy is bad because in cases like this no force is used. Rather, they are willing to do the USA a favor because they are expecting some other type of favor. So still, the countries' fault for doing whatever the USA wants. If they negotiated bad terms is not the USA's fault.

No, no force was used right here, but the USA routinely uses force where it's politically handy, like chasing Osama into Iraq.

So it's more like me having extracted your friend's wallet and turning to you with bloody knuckles and asking politely for your wallet. No violence. To you. Because you're not going to say no.

Your example shows why context is important. You, of course, forgot to mention what OBL was responsible for and that he continued to incite violence after 9/11.

I think you meant Pakistan not Iraq or am I mistaken?

No, I mean Iraq. Bush lied about an Osama connection to justify a war with Saddam.

In an inter-personal context? No. In an inter-national context? Yes.

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